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Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile.


So your going to vote violate the rules and vote "No" just because you want to disc level the individual season sets?
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and how does this fit into the scheme of things:

Disc IDs Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.
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Yes, Ken does need to remedy this situation.  But as long as some people insist that there is some sort of difference between a movie boxset and a TV season set and require different methods of profiling them, even Ken can't solve it.


But isn't it Ken that's insisting that we treat them differently? As we have different rules for each type.
I personally much prefer Ken's system of having one profile for one season. I'd rather type in one UPC and get the whole profile rather than have to type in the UPC and load in all the discs just to make sure I got it all.
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And I want all of the available information including the ARTWORK, which your method totally precludes krik and north. I still believe that after you have played with ONE massive list versus the concept of data in smaller and easier to digest bites of information, you will find the disc level to be preferable. Trying to assimilate and comprehend ONE huge mass of data and it isn't any harder. I've done it both ways, there is little that I can see positive in the ONE massive list concept, while there are many pros to the disc level.

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I'm not sure what you mean - which artwork would be missing?
Following the rules as they are now, you'd have a box set profile containing the artwork for the big box all the seasons came in and a child profile for each season containing the artwork for that season.
I don't have much experience of these multi-season box sets, but aren't the individual seasons usually digipaks, so there wouldn't be much more artwork to feature?
I could only see the benefits of disc-level child profiles if you were able to type in the UPC and the program would at least inform you that there are linked profiles available, or even better, download them with the parent profile automatically.
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A lot of TV Series are packaged with Keep Cases, they are not ALL Digipaks, and what comes with a Keep Case...Artwork(Cover Scans)

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and how does this fit into the scheme of things:

Disc IDs Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.

That is Disc ids within a Season level profile - as defined in the rules. It is nothing to do with a disc level profile name if that is what you are suggesting.
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A lot of TV Series are packaged with Keep Cases, they are not ALL Digipaks, and what comes with a Keep Case...Artwork(Cover Scans)

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I have over 13 hundred TV child profiles, allmost half of them come it slim keep cases.
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and how does this fit into the scheme of things:

Disc IDs Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.


What they should be doing for season sets, is exactly what you say  "Disc IDs Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description".

Currently the rules state don't treat individual TV seasons as box sets.  However complete TV series can be setup as a box set.  That is what we are trying to do with shows like Buffy.  The problem occurs is some users are going against the rules and profiling individual discs from the season sets.

Because some of the complete Series sets don't always use UPC codes for each season, like Hal says we have to use the first disc ID for each season to profile an entire season.  Unless the rules change or Ken tells us otherwise this is the method we have to use.
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Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile.


So your going to vote violate the rules and vote "No" just because you want to disc level the individual season sets?


Technically, it says "Box set rules CAN be applied..."  it doesn't say MUST be applied or SHOULD be applied. It is left up to the discretion of the user.

Therefore, if the Disc ID has been used already for a previous version (that is at least two years old) then you're out of luck, because the original profile takes precedence, according to the rules.
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If we are following the rules, there is only one answer...Box Set Profile with each season as a child, cast and crew for each episode added to the season child profile.

This is the problem I said was going to come up when people started profiling each and every disc in a set.  We don't have 'box set within a box set' capabilities so these series sets are going to be screwed up.


You don't have to do a box set within a boxset if you're profiling every disc.  You simply name the disc accordingly, and use the Disc ID to identify it just as you would any other.

As in:  Friends: Season 1: Disc 1, Friends: Season 5: Disc 5, etc.  Each and every disc gets a unique profile that tracks with its position in the set, and you don't have to mess around with hanging 5 or 6 profiles on the first disc profile for a season.


Except that is not what the Rules say to do.

Oh, I forgot, Skip and John say it is OK anyway!
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and how does this fit into the scheme of things:

Disc IDs Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.


What they should be doing for season sets, is exactly what you say  "Disc IDs Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description".

Currently the rules state don't treat individual TV seasons as box sets.  However complete TV series can be setup as a box set.  That is what we are trying to do with shows like Buffy.  The problem occurs is some users are going against the rules and profiling individual discs from the season sets.

Because some of the complete Series sets don't always use UPC codes for each season, like Hal says we have to use the first disc ID for each season to profile an entire season.  Unless the rules change or Ken tells us otherwise this is the method we have to use.



If you rely on what Hal thinks, you'll end up on the wrong side.  The rules are broke, and have been for quite some time.  You can't do a correct profile strictly by the rules because the rules are in conflict and ambiguous in several areas.  Try to get Hal and his cronies to admit that, however.
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You can't do a correct profile strictly by the rules because the rules are in conflict and ambiguous in several areas.  Try to get Hal and his cronies to admit that, however.


But that's not your decision. Until the rules are "fixed", we have to follow them. You can petition Ken & Gerri as much as you like to get them changed but until then we all have to follow the same rules. You can't just decide which rules to follow and which ones to ignore.

Or are you giving us all carte blanche to change the profiles to any way we see fit, and if other people don't like it we can just say "oh, it's the rules - they're vague".
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In this case your wrong Rifter because the single season should have never been turned into a box set according to the rules.  And if we are going to the old version of Profiler there wasn't individual profiles of each disc for this series because we did have "Buffy the Choosen Collection" profiled by the each season using the disc ID from the first disc.

Just because we have a new DB and someone quickly put in profiles for each disc from every season of a show doesn't make it right because they broke the rules by submitting it.
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In this case your wrong Rifter because the single season should have never been turned into a box set according to the rules.  And if we are going to the old version of Profiler there wasn't individual profiles of each disc for this series because we did have "Buffy the Choosen Collection" profiled by the each season using the disc ID from the first disc.

Just because we have a new DB and someone quickly put in profiles for each disc from every season of a show doesn't make it right because they broke the rules by submitting it.

I agree 100%!
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If you rely on what Hal thinks, you'll end up on the wrong side. 


Come on, John.  Please stop talking about what I believe or what I think.

I have nothing to do with it.

IT IS WHAT THE RULES SAY.

If you don't like what the Rules say, talk to Ken!

And, oh by the way, not only do I agree that the Rules are broken in many areas (not just this one) but I have stated so on numerous occassions.

That does not give you license to ignore them when they are in fact clear on this issue.
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