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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
As for the war - personally I don't see much in the way of blu-ray exclusives yet. Neither side has a ton of must have titles, yet. That is why looking at what studios FULL catalog looks like...not just what has been released so far. Looking at the bigger picture shows how large 5 major exclusive studios catalog (Blu-ray) can be versus just 1 major studio's catalog (HD DVD). Looking at the box office earnings per year going back to as far as a couple of decades is an important indicator of the future. You can see the benefits of a history of over 50% of top ten movies being EXCLUSIVE to one format (Blu-ray). This is compared to only around 15% top ten movies being EXCLUSIVE to the other format (HD DVD). All the other titles are to be on both formats. Quote:
My method was to add all exclusives to my profiler wishlist and see which camp had more of the kind of films I would buy, BD faired very poorly, with currently only 3 or 4 titles I would really want, and a couple more I might consider double dipping for. Did you do this with the current titles you like on both next-gen formats or did you use DVDProfiler to look at the regular DVD titles that you already own? I looked at my regular DVD collection on DVDprofiler some time ago. I believe Universal titles were a little over 10% of my total collection of around 1600 titles (including TV series). Quote:
It's not that Universal's catalogue is ostensibly better than the Sony/Fox catalogue, its just that Fox don't seem to want to release anything, and Sony just want to release garbage. Well, Sony (which also owns MGM and Columbia Pictures)/Fox/LionsGate/Disney (which owns Buena Vista and distributes for Touchstone, Miramax, Spyglass, etc.) have not really thrown their bigger bombs, yet. Sony has all three Spiderman movies, Bad Boys 2, The Patriot, Lawrence of Arabia, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, etc coming this year. Fox has Master and Commander, Aliens, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, etc. I'm not quite sure what Disney has in store for Blu-ray besides Cars, Bridge to Terabithia, and Pirates 3. Fox is not currently releasing titles because they are implementing BD+ security on there titles to protect their property. Now, you know the reason. This should be done before the end of August. Quote:
Being an avid gamer I will probably eventually pick up a PS3 (at a decent price and once they have some games worth buying it for) and then start collecting some BD, but being in the UK I will have to stick to UK releases only  You don't have to stick with UK releases only. If you look at my post on page 24, I believe, I said that 103 out of the over 230 Blu-ray titles are region free.  | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,321 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting Mark Harrison:
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Anyway, it was a very eye opening presentation and a welcome relief from the crap in this thread.
If one is not looking for facts, I'm sure that presentation would be a welcome relief from reality.
Nice of you to so easily dismiss an event you didn't attend. It's no wonder no one takes you seriously. As for the rest, Blah, blah, blah, blah... Don't waste your time replying to this. I'm sure I've mentioned this in the past, but I'll reiterate my position to save you some typing. I'm no longer interested in speaking with you. You are too closed minded to even consider any position that doesn't match your own and I have no interest in wasting time trying to have an intelligent and productive discussion with you. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. | | | | Last edited: by Mark Harrison |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mark Harrison: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Quoting Mark Harrison:
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Anyway, it was a very eye opening presentation and a welcome relief from the crap in this thread.
If one is not looking for facts, I'm sure that presentation would be a welcome relief from reality.
Nice of you to so easily dismiss an event you didn't attend. It's no wonder no one takes you seriously. Didn't you know that he was omniscient? He doesn't have to attend a function to know whether or not it was any good. He doesn't have to hear what was said to know it was all lies and propaganda. There is only one reality and that is the reality put forth by Ascended_Saiyan. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 811 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
If one is not looking for facts, I'm sure that presentation would be a welcome relief from reality. What a miserable piece of work you are. How dare you accuse others of not looking for facts. All you ever post in this forum is tired, non-stop propaganda for your precious Blu-ray. You wouldn't known an unbiased fact if it fell on you. Grow up and get a life. Everyone on this forum is sick to death of your garbage postings, juvenile snide remarks and regurgitated Blu-ray drivel. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting Mark Harrison:
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Anyway, it was a very eye opening presentation and a welcome relief from the crap in this thread.
If one is not looking for facts, I'm sure that presentation would be a welcome relief from reality.
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I'd also point out that although these guys are very pro HD DVD, I found it very interesting that from a business point of view, the format war is a win-win-win for Microsoft. If HD DVD wins, they win because of their VC-1 codec. If Blu-ray wins, MS wins because their codec is part of the Blu-ray standard. If this war kills the optical format and allows VOD to take over, they still win because VC-1 works just fine in that environment as well.
I guess you don't remember the facts I pointed out about this some time ago. Sony gets more royalties from VC-1 than Microsoft. It's nice to know that some people want to be snowed in by BS.
HD DVD's purpose isn't to win the format war. They know that's not reality. They are hoping they can deceive enough people into HD DVD to maintain existence or make both be nothing more than a niche market. The PS3 alone guarantees the existence of Blu-ray (not to mention the BD burner PC market).
It has to be a great mind that would want video downloads, at 720p (1080p downloads won't even be a reasonable option within a decade), to win over the best 1080p optical delivery system. It boggles the rational mind. Blah, blah, blah, blah... | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting stefc:
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As for the war - personally I don't see much in the way of blu-ray exclusives yet.
Neither side has a ton of must have titles, yet. That is why looking at what studios FULL catalog looks like...not just what has been released so far. Looking at the bigger picture shows how large 5 major exclusive studios catalog (Blu-ray) can be versus just 1 major studio's catalog (HD DVD).
Looking at the box office earnings per year going back to as far as a couple of decades is an important indicator of the future. You can see the benefits of a history of over 50% of top ten movies being EXCLUSIVE to one format (Blu-ray). This is compared to only around 15% top ten movies being EXCLUSIVE to the other format (HD DVD). All the other titles are to be on both formats.
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My method was to add all exclusives to my profiler wishlist and see which camp had more of the kind of films I would buy, BD faired very poorly, with currently only 3 or 4 titles I would really want, and a couple more I might consider double dipping for.
Did you do this with the current titles you like on both next-gen formats or did you use DVDProfiler to look at the regular DVD titles that you already own? I looked at my regular DVD collection on DVDprofiler some time ago. I believe Universal titles were a little over 10% of my total collection of around 1600 titles (including TV series).
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It's not that Universal's catalogue is ostensibly better than the Sony/Fox catalogue, its just that Fox don't seem to want to release anything, and Sony just want to release garbage.
Well, Sony (which also owns MGM and Columbia Pictures)/Fox/LionsGate/Disney (which owns Buena Vista and distributes for Touchstone, Miramax, Spyglass, etc.) have not really thrown their bigger bombs, yet. Sony has all three Spiderman movies, Bad Boys 2, The Patriot, Lawrence of Arabia, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, etc coming this year. Fox has Master and Commander, Aliens, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, etc. I'm not quite sure what Disney has in store for Blu-ray besides Cars, Bridge to Terabithia, and Pirates 3.
Fox is not currently releasing titles because they are implementing BD+ security on there titles to protect their property. Now, you know the reason. This should be done before the end of August.
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Being an avid gamer I will probably eventually pick up a PS3 (at a decent price and once they have some games worth buying it for) and then start collecting some BD, but being in the UK I will have to stick to UK releases only
You don't have to stick with UK releases only. If you look at my post on page 24, I believe, I said that 103 out of the over 230 Blu-ray titles are region free. Blah, blah, blah, blah... | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
|   | Erik | | It's a strange world. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 422 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote:
Harry chooses. Cheers, say what you will about Knowles, his site has a ton of visitors... Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
You don't have to stick with UK releases only. If you look at my post on page 24, I believe, I said that 103 out of the over 230 Blu-ray titles are region free. And people are supposed to jump all over the net to find "A" titles that might play in "B"? Nah, they can't be bothered. Around 50 of those are from Warner Bros. anyway  CUT TO: Ascended_Saiyan saying: "No, only 48!"  | | | Erik
"Has it ever occurred to you, man, that given the nature of all this new stuff, that, uh, instead of running around blaming me, that this whole thing might just be, not, you know, not just such a simple, but uh - you know?" -- The Dude, The Big Lebowski
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Erik: Quote:
Quoting VibroCount:
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Harry chooses.
Cheers, say what you will about Knowles, his site has a ton of visitors...
I knew Harry when he was a gleam in Jay & Helene's eyes. (Jay sold me my first golden age Captain America.) We held him when he was first brought home. We watched him grow through him selling books at comic conventions. We now see him getting ready to marry. Harry is the Perez Hilton of geek sites. And was long before Hilton began his... And, like you wrote, say what you will about Harry and his biases, his following is massive and he is very, very influencial. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | What good is intelligence if you let emotion overrule it?  | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Well, Sony (which also owns MGM and Columbia Pictures)/Fox/LionsGate/Disney (which owns Buena Vista and distributes for Touchstone, Miramax, Spyglass, etc.) have not really thrown their bigger bombs, yet. Sony has all three Spiderman movies, Bad Boys 2, The Patriot, Lawrence of Arabia, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, etc coming this year. Fox has Master and Commander, Aliens, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, etc. I'm not quite sure what Disney has in store for Blu-ray besides Cars, Bridge to Terabithia, and Pirates 3. Like I said, mostly garbage. Apart from Lawrence, and maybe some pixar movies (these would be grudging double dips) there is nothing there I would buy. And sony would have to pay me to make me own Bad Boys 2, Fantastic Four 2, Pirates 3 or Spiderman 3 (that was so painful a cinema trip i wanted to gouge my own eyes out) I think the blu-ray camp has it all wrong in their choices of releases. The mainstream box office garbage of the last few years will sell to the mass market public (and thus make large revenues), but this is the exact market that will be last to move to hdtv and hd movie formats. The current crop of early adopters are primarily film lovers, but of course the accountants and suits in these companies can onlly see in $$$. The only studio that seem to be giving an inkling that they get it are Warners. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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Well, Sony (which also owns MGM and Columbia Pictures)/Fox/LionsGate/Disney (which owns Buena Vista and distributes for Touchstone, Miramax, Spyglass, etc.) have not really thrown their bigger bombs, yet. Sony has all three Spiderman movies, Bad Boys 2, The Patriot, Lawrence of Arabia, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, etc coming this year. Fox has Master and Commander, Aliens, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, etc. I'm not quite sure what Disney has in store for Blu-ray besides Cars, Bridge to Terabithia, and Pirates 3.
Like I said, mostly garbage. Apart from Lawrence, and maybe some pixar movies (these would be grudging double dips) there is nothing there I would buy. And sony would have to pay me to make me own Bad Boys 2, Fantastic Four 2, Pirates 3 or Spiderman 3 (that was so painful a cinema trip i wanted to gouge my own eyes out)
I think the blu-ray camp has it all wrong in their choices of releases. The mainstream box office garbage of the last few years will sell to the mass market public (and thus make large revenues), but this is the exact market that will be last to move to hdtv and hd movie formats. The current crop of early adopters are primarily film lovers, but of course the accountants and suits in these companies can onlly see in $$$. The only studio that seem to be giving an inkling that they get it are Warners. Wow! I guess I would love to see what's in your SD DVD collection. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 844 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
What good is intelligence if you let emotion overrule it? HELLO MR. POT! You are such a lame fan-boy, and you contribute NOTHING to this community. | | | | Last edited: by bob9000 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bob9000: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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What good is intelligence if you let emotion overrule it?
HELLO MR. POT! You are such a lame fan-boy, and you contribute NOTHING to this community. See what I mean. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,203 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting stefc: Quote:
Like I said, mostly garbage. Apart from Lawrence, and maybe some pixar movies (these would be grudging double dips) there is nothing there I would buy. And sony would have to pay me to make me own Bad Boys 2, Fantastic Four 2, Pirates 3 or Spiderman 3 (that was so painful a cinema trip i wanted to gouge my own eyes out). I actually liked Pirates 3 and Spiderman 3. Haven't seen Fantastic Four 2 yet. It doesn't come out until June 15 so it does beg the question...where did you see it?  That being said, while I like a lot of the titles available or potentially available on Blu-ray, they are not enough to convince me to buy a player. While the week to week sales seem to, greatly, favor Blu-ray the 7% 'since inception' lead isn't anything to write home about. The smart money is on the clear winner. At this point there isn't one so the smart money isn't even playing. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
What good is intelligence if you let emotion overrule it? Quoting Harry Knowles at AICN: Quote:
I also have a habit of picking the winning formats. I could be wrong this time, but most of my filmmaker friends, in fact all of them that I have had a conversation regarding this with... have told me... HD DVD is the format to go with. What emotion? The the owner of most attended website on DVDs and films and TV shows announces that he has chosen HD DVD over Blu-ray. If he says Pirates of the Caribbean III is worth seeing, millions of people who might have stayed away due to the reviews in every other outlet will go see it (proven). If he says Rocky Balboa is cool because Stallone answers AICN readers directly three times, then readers go see it, turning it into a hit. If he says a film is worthless, it dies. He has pull, something you do not. With this article, HD DVD got a huge boost. It doesn't matter what you say... it matters what Harry writes. Logical or not, it is a reality you cannot face. I know Harry knows millions of times more filmmakers than you do. Knows them as in has their home phone numbers. And when he writes, "... most of my filmmaker friends, in fact all of them that I have had a conversation regarding this with... have told me... HD DVD is the format to go with..." then that says something your charts ignore. All of them say HD DVD. Not one says Blu-ray. Why? You cannot have an answer which addresses this, because of your bias. This is not emotion, this is grass roots publicity on a scale you could not match with a billion dollars of your blah, blah, blah. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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