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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting djskyler: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
Quote: the screen shows "Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds", even with a fade-out/in in the middle, that's the title. This thread has been very entertaining to me and I appreciate all the energy you and others have dedicated to this minority position. I never get to discuss film this much with people in my day to day life. In Rifter's case, I completely respect his opinion. He's not arguing about a rule, he genuinely believes that is the correct title in spite of everything we've thrown at him. Beyond that, he expressed that he would be willing to change not only this, but any other Hitchcock title in his local to reflect this view. You've got to respect a guy who's willing to mess up a whole bunch of titles in his local database. I may not agree with how he defines a movie title, but you can't fault his commitment to the idea. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 171 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: I'm all for consistent. It's what is "accurate" that's carried us to page 18.
I disagree. There have been very FEW arguments about what is accurate around here. Most of the arguments have been about following the rules regardless of whether or not accurate data would be captured. If we WERE arguing about what was correct without any regard for what was in the rules, then we might get somewhere. Rules are great, I like rules. But when the rules don't fit reality, then we need to make some adjustments. And I don't think that means making more rules or changing the existing rules. It means accepting that there are exceptions to the rules and that the existing processes that include the screeners and voting will result in getting the best data into the online database. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
In Rifter's case, I completely respect his opinion. He's not arguing about a rule, he genuinely believes that is the correct title in spite of everything we've thrown at him. Beyond that, he expressed that he would be willing to change not only this, but any other Hitchcock title in his local to reflect this view. You've got to respect a guy who's willing to mess up a whole bunch of titles in his local database. I may not agree with how he defines a movie title, but you can't fault his commitment to the idea. That would be real simple for Rifter. He does not own a single one of Hitchcock's movies according to his on-line collection! Pretty easy to be committed to something that won't cost you anything. So Skip, using the original orange cover for Vertigo, is the actual title "Alfred Hitchcock's Masterpiece 'Vertigo'"? And how about "Alfred Hitchcock's production Foreign Correspondent"? Or maybe "Alfred Hitchcock's Production of Lifeboat". And I especially like "James Stewart Doris Day in Alfred Hitchcock's The Man Who Knew Too Much". All taken directly from the DVD covers. These must be "modified titles"! | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: That would be real simple for Rifter. He does not own a single one of Hitchcock's movies according to his on-line collection!
Pretty easy to be committed to something that won't cost you anything. I see. I suppose I should take some joy in the fact that he doesn't have a couple of thousand items in a wishlist to vote on. At least there's some measure of integrity there. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm running an Alfred Hitcock's Stranger on a Train (085391-532422) contribuition right now, and the title card in the opening credits uses His Name right above the Title.,, yet I get one person so far who says " possessory credit, not title"., | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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Registered: March 24, 2007 | Posts: 240 |
| Posted: | | | | It is "The Birds" That's quite a hole you have dug Skip. Say hello to Professor Lidenbrock for me... | | | Tom. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Hal, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 585 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: I'm running an Alfred Hitcock's Stranger on a Train (085391-532422) contribuition right now, and the title card in the opening credits uses His Name right above the Title.,,yet I get one person so far who says " possessory credit, not title"., And... they are absolutely correct. I don't understand all the brooding. If you take a glance at the back cover of the DVD it displays the credits as Quote: Alfred Hitchcock's "Strangers on a Train" The title of the actual movie being in quotes (as is the standard) and obviously showing the title to be "Strangers on a Train" and the "Alfred Hitchcock's" portion to be a possessory credit. It's been pointed out by Dan W and probably some others if you have the patience to read through this entire thread that almost all (if not all, but there's always exceptions) movies' show the complete titles within quotation marks in the block of credits that show on movie posters and on the back of DVDs. I see you've also submitted the same exact entry with the same exact contribution notes 3 times within 1 hour and 30 minutes. That wouldn't be to reset the voting because you received some No votes, would it? Just curious. [edit] While I'm here. Anyone putting The Rules > Common Sense needs to take a step back and examine reality. Yes, the rules are there for a reason (and a very good one) but that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions to the rules and that we shouldn't challenge the rules at times. Anyone screaming "Rule Breaker!" at the very notion needs to grow up. The ultimate "interpreter of the rules" is the screeners and it's their job to keep us in check of submitting entries that are exceptions versus entries that flat out break the rules. The voters are merely there to keep the community in check and provide a pre-screening process that helps the screeners when it comes time for them to process a contribution. I can't even fathom how some of the egos in here can fit through broadband bandwidth and not bring the servers to it's knees. As much as we bow down before the Holy Rules, they are still only basic guidelines to help navigate us through this world, and at some point intelligence and common sense has to step in and help us through the not-so-easy parts. Just as in real life (the court system) we have someone to help us interprete and rule on the not-so-easy parts and they are the Screeners. They alone determine what makes it into the "Holy Online Database" so unlike what the vocal minority think, they are the ones we ultimately answer to, not them. If they accept it, then you need to accept it and move on. Period. Any new users logging in the last couple weeks and seeing this thread, the SRP thread, or the Divider thread will think the people here are insane. Who argues overs 1 penny? I know who. I bet you do too. | | | "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams | | | Last edited: by Vega |
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Registered: March 17, 2007 | Posts: 125 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: I'm running an Alfred Hitcock's Stranger on a Train (085391-532422) contribuition right now, and the title card in the opening credits uses His Name right above the Title.,, yet I get one person so far who says " possessory credit, not title"., If you've read enough of this thread, you already know the voting community won't have it. Why are you doing that? I believe the only way to keep spurious profile data are for titles few people own and can vote on, like the situation we had with the Abbott and Costello sets before Gerri stepped in. I suppose that would be a motivation to discourage new users, because greater numbers means more logic and common sense. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Any of you remember being a kid when dad drove slowly by a serious accident on the highway and you looked for the dead bodies? Kinda morbid, I know. But reading this thread reminded me of that for some reason. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 980 |
| Posted: | | | | Everybody loves a train wreck. | | | Dan |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: I'm running an Alfred Hitcock's Stranger on a Train (085391-532422) contribuition right now, and the title card in the opening credits uses His Name right above the Title.,, yet I get one person so far who says " possessory credit, not title"., I don't have this particular title so I couldn't say. I will say that I've done a quick spotcheck on Dan's idea and it seems to be holding up nicely. From the back credits: Frank Capra's "Arsenic and Old Lace" "Frank Miller's Sin City" "The Thing" (this one actually surprised me as I wasn't sure about the Carpenter possessive) since I had it shelved next "The Thing From Another Planet" "Frank Herbert's Dune" from the Sci-Fi channel mini-series Margaret Mitchell's "Gone with the Wind" I guess I would suggest you check your back cover marquee-style credits and see what the title is before you automatically dismiss the no votes as being cranky. EDIT: One other thought. Since I haven't seen your movie in years, I really don't remember. I posted a Rear Window title screenshot earlier in this thread. Hitchcock's name is on the same screen as the title, but in a much smaller font. Checking the back cover credits, we have simply "Rear Window." Actually, I suppose we can all download the profile and examine the back cover image for ourselves, but I'm sure you'll do whatever is right. Dan kicks butt. | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote: Dan kicks butt. That's because he is an orangutan. Orangutans are deceptively strong so they always kick butt. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
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Registered: March 24, 2007 | Posts: 240 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Actually, I suppose we can all download the profile and examine the back cover image for ourselves, but I'm sure you'll do whatever is right.
Alfred Hitcock's "Stranger on a Train" Another release even has the "Stranger on a Train" on the front cover. | | | Tom. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: : I own all of his stuff, many in duplicates, except for Champagne. Offtopic, but which versions you have from An Elastic Affair (1930) and The Pleasure Garden (1925). I have all the others, but haven't found those yet. |
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