Quoting iPatsa:

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I can live with them, or without them. I just find the submissions removing them utterly pointless.

I completely agree. It's a bit of a waste of time.
And wading through them all must take a long time. I was also slightly annoyed seeing so many profiles to review before voting as well.

Although, I may have been contradicting myself, as when I look to those box sets I myself have created and contributed, I have left the main profiles empty. So I guess this is how it should be.
But I still think it's a least a little bit a waste of time to fix this now, so many years later. I'm guessing there must be thousands of box sets to edit.
GLHF, I guess.

Maybe there should be a tick box for creating box set profiles altogether, so we didn't have to enter more than production data and media company (and release info). For one thing, having video format on a box set is most often not only superfluous, but also confusing.
Well. I think I have ultimately changed my mind about this. So I'm changing all my no votes to yes. And I have even myself just contributed a box set title to remove data... But I don't think I will bother will all of them.

I have a (mostly) theoretical objection to adding common properties to the parent profile.

Good database practices dictate that information should not be duplicated, i.e. a specific piece of information should not be stored in several places. In other contexts violating this principle can have serious consequences. Here they are marginal. But let me give you an example:

You have a boxset with 4 movies that are all anamorphic widescreen 2.35:1, so you enter that info in the parent. Later someone realizes that one of the films is not anamorphic after all, so they update the profile. But they may not realize that this also affects the parent, so the don't update that. Now we have conflicting information. The parent profile says the movie is anamorphic, the child profile says it is not. If someone downloads just the parent to check it out before buying, this could lead them to buy something that they wouldn't otherwise buy.

Admittedly, this is a rather farfetched scenario. But it exemplifies why it is not a good thing to populate the parent with common properties from the child profiles. So, even though the consequences may be negligible, I don't like it.

Quoting Nosferatu:

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Because a parent profile is basically an empty box and all the information – except the packaging data (title, rating details, overview) – belongs to the child profiles, I think the profiles should be largely devoid of data, from video to audio to genres.

I think that the mentioned above is the only data that should be on a box set.
I am even reserved about including "rating details" in text for a whole set of movies among which that can differ. E.g. "Strong Language and Moderate Horror".
Also, I am reserved and were actually always against the rule to type in the production year for the oldest title in the set. (Why do that?) As well as country of origin, which definitely also can vary among the movies.
Production studios and genres should also be empty, for sure, along with any sort of Video Format data, just to rule out any confusion and to stay consistent, if anything.
In other words I think the rules for box sets need an update.

Quoting MikaLove:

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Quoting Nosferatu:

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Because a parent profile is basically an empty box and all the information – except the packaging data (title, rating details, overview) – belongs to the child profiles, I think the profiles should be largely devoid of data, from video to audio to genres.

I think that the mentioned above is the only data that should be on a box set.
I am even reserved about including "rating details" in text for a whole set of movies among which that can differ. E.g. "Strong Language and Moderate Horror".
Also, I am reserved and were actually always against the rule to type in the production year for the oldest title in the set. (Why do that?) As well as country of origin, which definitely also can vary among the movies.
Production studios and genres should also be empty, for sure, along with any sort of Video Format data, just to rule out any confusion and to stay consistent, if anything.
In other words I think the rules for box sets need an update.

I agree that the rules need an update. At present, if there is a box set with an 18 certificate for (to use your example) "Strong Language and Moderate Horror", but the set contains a PG certificate comedy, the rules say that it must have the same rating as the parent. This would be patently absurd and the rules should be designed to reflect a situation like that.

I have submitted contributions (which have all been approved) where the overview on the parent profile has a paragraph or two for each film and I have put child profiles with only the corresponding section from the parent's overview. That makes sense to me and, seemingly, to the people responsible for screening the contributions.

[i][/i]Quoting Nosferatu:

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Because a parent profile is basically an empty box and all the information – except the packaging data (title, rating details, overview) – belongs to the child profiles, I think the profiles should be largely devoid of data, from video to audio to genres.

So we are profiling empty boxes now. 

We obviously see flaws, none of which we'll all agree on, due to the evolution of the software over the years.

In my opinion, disc profiles and release profiles should be two different, distinct things.  As it stands right now they all use the same tables (and forms), with all available fields, and are essentially the same when it comes to the profile level.  Some fields should only ever be available to release profiles (packaging and release details, cover art, SRP, media companies, etc.) and the others should only ever be available to disc profiles.  We'd also need a separate profile/section for film specific information (production year, film rating, CoO, OAR, theatrical/release studio, production companies, etc.) which doesn't change based on individual discs or releases.  I would envision that each would have their own separate tables (and forms).

See what Ken himself said about this situation... I urge you to withdraw the contributions...

Quoting Ken Cole:

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If the box set section in the rules does not contain an exception for a data element, standard rules apply.  So both dimension and color use standard rules for box sets.

I was going to bring this up in the Contribution Rules Committee section but why bother.

The rules haven't been updated in 3 years, so it would be a waste of time.

I am adding it... It is what ken clarified the rules to mean... so for the online database that is what it must be,.