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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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The particular store where you got it must have sold it a week early by mistake.

By mistake or not, it is the date when the DVD was first released for sale, and this is what rules ask to enter.

Note that, when a cover designer makes a mistake (spelling mistake in overview for example), we recopy the mistake in the database. So are the rules...
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Walmart's website shows a release date of the 15th. The particular store where you got it must have sold it a week early by mistake.

http://www.walmart.com/search/?query=game%20of%20thrones%20season%205


It must of been put out by mistake because it was not out in their New release section. It was in the TV show section with the other Game of Thrones seasons display.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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Stores break release dates sometimes... but that does not change what the release date actually is.

What is a release date? For me it is the date when the movie is released. In this case, it was actually released March 9 (or before). The fact that the publisher had previously decided to release this title some days after this date doesn't change the fact that this product was actually on shelves March 9.


What is the release date of a movie that was shipped from an online retailer???? The day they drop the shipment in the mail? The day they put the item on the shelf in the warehouse? The day I get the item in the mail? What if I was on vacation and get my shipment a few days later when I get home?

Do you see the flawed logic in your argument?
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What is the release date of a movie that was shipped from an online retailer???? The day they drop the shipment in the mail? The day they put the item on the shelf in the warehouse? The day I get the item in the mail? What if I was on vacation and get my shipment a few days later when I get home?

Useless examples. We have a rule that says :
Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality.
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What is the release date of a movie that was shipped from an online retailer???? The day they drop the shipment in the mail? The day they put the item on the shelf in the warehouse? The day I get the item in the mail? What if I was on vacation and get my shipment a few days later when I get home?

Useless examples. We have a rule that says :
Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality.


Why useless? When is released really released? In the US the release date is the date the studio sets for an item to be officially released, not the day a store employee puts the item on the shelf or the warehouse employee puts it in a box or the day I buy it somewhere or get my delivery.
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But that is just the thing... it wasn't released... it was put out by mistake.... as can be seen by the store's own website that says it is not out yet. Just because it was out on the shelf and a copy sold by accident don't mean it was RELEASED for sale. We even have evidence it was not when that very store has a later release date for it.
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We have a rule that says :
Use the date when the DVD was first released for sale in its specific locality.

And it hasn't been released for sale yet. That someone managed to get their hands on it a few days early, doesn't change that. You're mistaking "having it in your hands" for "it's officially been released", but those two are not the same. Let me give you an even simpler example: for many major releases, review copies are often made available to the relevant people *before* the releasedate. So if one of those reviewers happens to be a DVD Profiler user - and we have a bunch of those - he should consistently add the date that he got it as releasedate to his profiles? Of course not!

So you see? There's a difference: even though the reviewer has it in his hand, that doesn't mean that it was officially released yet. Our DVD release date field is meant to hold the date that the distributor *officially* releases it for sale - not the date that the first DVD Profiler user, by whatever means, gets hold of it first. The same applies to the RRP: that's field's not for whatever price you bought it for - it's for the officially "recommended retail price" as set by the distributor. Just like the date fields, there again DVD Profiler provides two fields: one for the official releasedate and one for the actual date you bought it, one for the official recommended retail price, and one for the price you actually paid. Two fields, for two purposes - this really can't be that difficult.
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And it hasn't been released for sale yet.

The movie was not robbed, it was bought. All your argumentation is to try to interpret rules, which are cristal clear...
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It was put out by mistake....

Yes, but it is not the problem. We just apply rules as we do for mistakes in overviews...
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Once again, you're mistaking "managing to get your hands on a copy" for "having been released." That's not the same. I know you're just arguing out of spite, so I'll leave it at that.
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It was put out by mistake....

Yes, but it is not the problem. We just apply rules as we do for mistakes in overviews...


You are just looking for an argument. It's really getting old.
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Our DVD release date field is meant to hold the date that the distributor *officially* releases it for sale

Where do you see that in rules, or when did Ken write a statement about that ?

Rules just say date of first release for sale
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Our DVD release date field is meant to hold the date that the distributor *officially* releases it for sale

Where do you see that in rules, or when did Ken write a statement about that ?

Rules just say date of first release for sale


You don't seem to understand what date of release means.
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You don't seem to understand what date of release means.

...release for sale...
wasn't it sold ?
I perfectly understand your point of view, and agree with it. But that is not what rules say.
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It was sold... but it was not released. There is a difference.  You are focusing on the wrong thing. There is such a thing as being sold by accident before it's release. That does not change when it is released. That does not change what we put in the field.
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You don't seem to understand what date of release means.

...release for sale...
wasn't it sold ?
I perfectly understand your point of view, and agree with it. But that is not what rules say.


That is what the rules say since it asks for first RELEASE... Even the store that it was gotten at shows that it has not been released yet. The rules do not say first time someone purchases it... says first release.

Once again just because it was purchased does not mean it was released for sale. Just means someone goofed up when they sold it.
Pete
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