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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | TheMadMartian... you have said in the past it is right to check other areas of the case to see what the title of the release is... 'Zombie Double Feature' is not on the spine or back of the case... so why does it have to be the title on this release? | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote: The same as Zombie Triple Feature or 50 Western Classics. Should be consistent when it comes to multi-film releases. No way I'm gonna put 50 movie titles in the title field, and have 50 Western Classics in the edition field just because they have the titles on the front cover. How often do they put all 50 film titles on the front cover for these releases? | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: I have to agree with this. The title of this box set release is 'Zombie Double Feature'. It isn't pretty, and it may not make sense but, in my opinion, it's what the rules call for. As you've said yourself, the rules do not tell us what on the front cover is part of the title, so they actually provide zero guidance in this instance. Not to mention that from a data perspective it renders the title field completely useless for searching for the actual film titles. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: TheMadMartian... you have said in the past it is right to check other areas of the case to see what the title of the release is... 'Zombie Double Feature' is not on the spine or back of the case... so why does it have to be the title on this release? It doesn't have to be the title of this release but, because this is a box set per the rules, in my opinion, the title of the box set is 'Zombie Double Feature'. If the only thing on the cover was 'Dead Season / State of Emergency', I would have a different opinion, but because there is a title, on the cover, that describes the set, I think we should go with that. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: I have to agree with this. The title of this box set release is 'Zombie Double Feature'. It isn't pretty, and it may not make sense but, in my opinion, it's what the rules call for.
As you've said yourself, the rules do not tell us what on the front cover is part of the title, so they actually provide zero guidance in this instance. They may provide you with zero guidance, but they provide me with plenty. From the Box Set Rules: "The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the front cover, for example Alien Quadrilogy" Even though, at least one of the releases of 'Alien Quadrilogy' lists all four titles on the front of the case, the title remains 'Alien Quadrilogy'. In my opinion, this is no different. Just like 'Alien Quadrilogy' describes that release, 'Zombie Double Feature' describes this release. Quote: Not to mention that from a data perspective it renders the title field completely useless for searching for the actual film titles. Since this is a box set, won't the child profiles show up when searching for the actual film titles? Since they will, I don't see why this is a problem. I have plenty of box sets where the title of the parent says nothing about the films in the set. I have several where the films in the set are listed on the front of the case, yet are not listed in the title field. Why should this be treated any differently than they are? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: I have to agree with this. The title of this box set release is 'Zombie Double Feature'. It isn't pretty, and it may not make sense but, in my opinion, it's what the rules call for.
As you've said yourself, the rules do not tell us what on the front cover is part of the title, so they actually provide zero guidance in this instance. They may provide you with zero guidance, but they provide me with plenty. From the Box Set Rules:
"The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the front cover, for example Alien Quadrilogy"
Even though, at least one of the releases of 'Alien Quadrilogy' lists all four titles on the front of the case, the title remains 'Alien Quadrilogy'. In my opinion, this is no different. Just like 'Alien Quadrilogy' describes that release, 'Zombie Double Feature' describes this release.
Quote: Not to mention that from a data perspective it renders the title field completely useless for searching for the actual film titles. Since this is a box set, won't the child profiles show up when searching for the actual film titles? Since they will, I don't see why this is a problem. I have plenty of box sets where the title of the parent says nothing about the films in the set. I have several where the films in the set are listed on the front of the case, yet are not listed in the title field. Why should this be treated any differently than they are? If this is the case than I'd guestimate 95% of these types of titles that I own are wrong. IMO it's clear that 'Zombie Double Feature' is an edition. It isn't listed on the Spine, if it was a title such as the example you gave, it would be. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to agree... if that was the title of the box set then that title would be on the spine.
You are trying to lump all cases to work the same way... and we all know that just does not work. | | | Pete |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: TheMadMartian... you have said in the past it is right to check other areas of the case to see what the title of the release is... 'Zombie Double Feature' is not on the spine or back of the case... so why does it have to be the title on this release? this is what I talked about. Back with the MIB issue and others. People suggested to use what was on the spine, and there was a resounding No, because it was what a certain group wanted. Now let's use the spine because it is what a certain group wants. and the answer is ---- do it the way you want for your personal database and lockit. But let's keep incorrect personal preference data out of the on-line database. | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting ateo357:
Quote: The same as Zombie Triple Feature or 50 Western Classics. Should be consistent when it comes to multi-film releases. No way I'm gonna put 50 movie titles in the title field, and have 50 Western Classics in the edition field just because they have the titles on the front cover.
How often do they put all 50 film titles on the front cover for these releases? 1 is more than enough. 50 Movie Pack Western Classics All Regions Released: 5/25/2005 [/DIVLEFT] [DIVLEFT MARGIN="10px"] 50 Movie Pack: Sci-Fi Classics: Disc 1 All Regions Released: 12/30/1899 Full Frame 1.33:1 12 Movie Action Pack All Regions Released: 12/30/2011 Widescreen 12 Creature Features Region 1 Released: 3/6/2012 [/DIVLEFT] [DIVLEFT MARGIN="10px"] 12 Family Movie Marathon Region 1 Released: 9/4/2012 Full Frame 1.33:1 Put the contents in the title field and disregard the box set title for one, then we can do it for all of them. The question - is this one Box Set so important that we are willing to change it for all of them. | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote: Couldn't another option be Title: "Zombie Double Feature: Dead Season / State of Emergency"? The title of this Zombie Double Feature is "Dead Season / State of Emergency". I have some 2-movie packs and Double Packs and whatnot and I have never used those descriptions (which is what they are) for the title. Possibly in the edition but I don't feel it necessary either unless there are other releases with the same title. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote: Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote: Couldn't another option be Title: "Zombie Double Feature: Dead Season / State of Emergency"?
The title of this Zombie Double Feature is "Dead Season / State of Emergency".
I have some 2-movie packs and Double Packs and whatnot and I have never used those descriptions (which is what they are) for the title. Possibly in the edition but I don't feel it necessary either unless there are other releases with the same title. and this is correct because this is how you do it? doing something over a period of time does not mean it's being done correctly. It only means that is yor preference. | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I have to agree... if that was the title of the box set then that title would be on the spine.
You are trying to lump all cases to work the same way... and we all know that just does not work. Completely agree. Almost every double feature I own uses the two titles separated by a slash as the DVD title. Lots of them have these "other descriptors" on the box as well. Almost all have "Double Feature" somewhere on the cover. Using that as a title is useless. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting ateo357:
Quote: The same as Zombie Triple Feature or 50 Western Classics. Should be consistent when it comes to multi-film releases. No way I'm gonna put 50 movie titles in the title field, and have 50 Western Classics in the edition field just because they have the titles on the front cover.
How often do they put all 50 film titles on the front cover for these releases?
1 is more than enough.
50 Movie Pack Western Classics All Regions Released: 5/25/2005 [/DIVLEFT] [DIVLEFT MARGIN="10px"]
50 Movie Pack: Sci-Fi Classics: Disc 1 All Regions Released: 12/30/1899 Full Frame 1.33:1
12 Movie Action Pack All Regions Released: 12/30/2011 Widescreen
12 Creature Features Region 1 Released: 3/6/2012 [/DIVLEFT] [DIVLEFT MARGIN="10px"]
12 Family Movie Marathon Region 1 Released: 9/4/2012 Full Frame 1.33:1
Put the contents in the title field and disregard the box set title for one, then we can do it for all of them. The question - is this one Box Set so important that we are willing to change it for all of them. As I posted pictures of at least five other double features in my collection alone which include "descriptors" like "Double Feature" on their covers, you know full well this would not be the only one that would be "different". Try putting all twelve titles or all 50 titles in the title field and see how far you get. There is practical reason for not using the film titles for those which you are choosing to ignore. | | | Hal |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
"The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the front cover, for example Alien Quadrilogy"
In this case "Alien" is included in the name of the boxset BECAUSE Alien was the name of the first film and it is included in the title of every sequel, and collectively these are known as the "Alien" movies. Therefore this quote from the rules is not applicable to this particular example. | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting ateo357:
Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting ateo357:
Quote: The same as Zombie Triple Feature or 50 Western Classics. Should be consistent when it comes to multi-film releases. No way I'm gonna put 50 movie titles in the title field, and have 50 Western Classics in the edition field just because they have the titles on the front cover.
How often do they put all 50 film titles on the front cover for these releases?
1 is more than enough.
50 Movie Pack Western Classics All Regions Released: 5/25/2005 [/DIVLEFT] [DIVLEFT MARGIN="10px"]
50 Movie Pack: Sci-Fi Classics: Disc 1 All Regions Released: 12/30/1899 Full Frame 1.33:1
12 Movie Action Pack All Regions Released: 12/30/2011 Widescreen
12 Creature Features Region 1 Released: 3/6/2012 [/DIVLEFT] [DIVLEFT MARGIN="10px"]
12 Family Movie Marathon Region 1 Released: 9/4/2012 Full Frame 1.33:1
Put the contents in the title field and disregard the box set title for one, then we can do it for all of them. The question - is this one Box Set so important that we are willing to change it for all of them.
As I posted pictures of at least five other double features in my collection alone which include "descriptors" like "Double Feature" on their covers, you know full well this would not be the only one that would be "different".
Try putting all twelve titles or all 50 titles in the title field and see how far you get. There is practical reason for not using the film titles for those which you are choosing to ignore. You posted earlier as if there wasn't a release with 50 titles on the cover. I showed you there are cover with multiple titles. So now you are saying that you want to do it your way as long as all the titles fit in the title field. And if they don't then do it the correct way. Pick and choose is not in the contribution rules. |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: I have to agree with this. The title of this box set release is 'Zombie Double Feature'. It isn't pretty, and it may not make sense but, in my opinion, it's what the rules call for.
As you've said yourself, the rules do not tell us what on the front cover is part of the title, so they actually provide zero guidance in this instance.
Not to mention that from a data perspective it renders the title field completely useless for searching for the actual film titles. That is why there are disc id's. If you set up a box set properly, with alt ids if needed, there should be no problem with a search. |
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