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Registered: June 1, 2013 | Posts: 217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
additonal is enough to not be contributed. J. B. Priestly: additional dialogue......same title card, same font size as Gilliat, and Harrison=same importance. Why would anyone exclude Priestly simply because his credit is "additional dialogue"? Did Gilliat write 60 % of the dialogue? Priestley 40 %? He wrote enough to get an equal co-credit. This is not an assistant director or a second unit camera operator....this is one of the credited writers of the film. I'm always amazed at the stuff I read in these forums in regards to movies.....and, no, I don't care what 'you' enter into the online. Enter (don't enter) whatever you like. Thank Christ I don't use it. Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
just nothing posted in this thread, besides opinions, that say otherwise... Bingo. Speaking of which, the usual suspects to follow....... |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting JMGuer: Quote:
I'm always amazed at the stuff I read in these forums in regards to movies..... Interestingly, there are some who would argue that neither of the people credited with writing dialogue for this film may be added to the online database. --------------- |
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Registered: June 1, 2013 | Posts: 217 |
| Posted: | | | | Interestingly, there are some who would argue that neither of the people credited with writing dialogue for this film may be added to the online database.
Anything can be argued.....but why would anyone leave out vital data like dialogue (but include sound, makeup) from a film database. Imagine the Maltese Falcon without the dialogue. |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting JMGuer:
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I'm always amazed at the stuff I read in these forums in regards to movies..... Interestingly, there are some who would argue that neither of the people credited with writing dialogue for this film may be added to the online database.
--------------- what's amazing is the author of the book isn't even credited in the film. Nor in the database for this version. | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting JMGuer: Quote: Interestingly, there are some who would argue that neither of the people credited with writing dialogue for this film may be added to the online database.
Anything can be argued.....but why would anyone leave out vital data like dialogue (but include sound, makeup) from a film database. Imagine the Maltese Falcon without the dialogue. Probably because it isn't one of the options in the crew chart. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote: DoubleDownAgain: As far as why, I'm just not comfortable with doing so... I wouldn't either to be honest.. I think we are the same... we have no dog in this fight, just want to know the rules so we can follow them correctly. But the rules suck. They suck a Big *** **** *****. I can understand the attempt to keep them as simple as possible, but much like life, things are not so black and white. I find "THE RULES" very infuriating. There are the "Official Rules" that you can find easily on the webpage. They are great and offer answered for many, if not most, questions. But there are a ton of questions that "The Rules" do not cover, or have legitimate questions surrounding how they should be applied. There are some threads that (Ken/Invelos) comments on, but they don't make it into the rules. I don't understand why if the powers that be comment on a rule, that you then can't find when looking at the current rules. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server | | | Last edited: by DoubleDownAgain |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting JMGuer:
Quote: Interestingly, there are some who would argue that neither of the people credited with writing dialogue for this film may be added to the online database.
Anything can be argued.....but why would anyone leave out vital data like dialogue (but include sound, makeup) from a film database. Imagine the Maltese Falcon without the dialogue. Probably because it isn't one of the options in the crew chart. There are plenty of instances where a direct correlation between the rule about crew credits and what is seen film have not matched, but have been accepted into the OL database. Do you suggest all of those submissions be deleted? | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: Quoting JMGuer:
Quote: Interestingly, there are some who would argue that neither of the people credited with writing dialogue for this film may be added to the online database.
Anything can be argued.....but why would anyone leave out vital data like dialogue (but include sound, makeup) from a film database. Imagine the Maltese Falcon without the dialogue. Probably because it isn't one of the options in the crew chart.
There are plenty of instances where a direct correlation between the rule about crew credits and what is seen film have not matched, but have been accepted into the OL database.
Do you suggest all of those submissions be deleted? I didn't suggest anything. JMGuer asked a question...why would anyone leave out vital data like dialogue...and I gave him the answer. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
The rules to not forbid the contribution of "additional" crew unless they're specified as "unit" crew.
--------------- So how do you interpret this part of the Rules, referring to the Crew Table: "For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns." Personally, I do not see "Additional Scenes Directed and Written by" anywhere in that table. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: So how do you interpret this part of the Rules, referring to the Crew Table:
"For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns." If I were to take the above quote literally I'd say that we're not allowed to contribute people credited with being the originator of a character, the creator of a series, or the writer of songs, since the "Credited As" column is blank in those cases, and the quote above says that both conditions (Role and Credited As) must be met. Therefore I determine that the wording of the rule is not meant to be taken literally. --------------- | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | The rule clearly means to check the "Role" column AND the "Credited As" column to see if the role is listed there.
But I am not going to play your silly game.
The Rules are quite clear on this subject, but, because people want to add crew that THEY wish to add, they find whatever reason they like to justify it. I'm not going to change that, so it is pointless to discuss. That doesn't change the fact that the Rules do prohibit a credit for "Additional Scenes Written and Directed by". | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: The rule clearly means to check the "Role" column AND the "Credited As" column to see if the role is listed there. The Roles in the "Roles" column come from DVD Profiler itself, and spell out in which section of the crew credits the person is to be entered in, and the Credits in the "Credited As" column come from the film and tell us what the credit must be to be contributed. Since the "Credited As" column is empty for the roles "Original Characters by", "Created by", "Song Writer", "Theme By", and "Creature Designer", and there is no equivalent film credit of "", then people credited for those roles cannot be contributed to the database because there is no exact match. That is, if I embrace your logic. --------------- |
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | I would be opposed to adding "Additional Scenes".
To add more to the DB without proper context, moves the DB away from comprehension. Contribution notes are not a valid point. When I am looking at my local DB, I don't see the contribution notes. I also do not see your custom entries.
Unless I put them in,the only thing I would see is "Wriiten by" or "Directed by". I would not have any context to the additional scenes at all.
We already have a lot in the db, that do no have proper context. Special Effects and Visual Effects under the same heading for example. (or worse yet Costume Designer and costume supervisor, two completely different jobs).
Now if custom entries were contributable, then we could have a different discussion.
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: To add more to the DB without proper context, moves the DB away from comprehension.
Now if custom entries were contributable, then we could have a different discussion.
I've put in my request. --------------- |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: The rule clearly means to check the "Role" column AND the "Credited As" column to see if the role is listed there. I asked a few 'normal' people to look at the rule as well as the crew chart and, without exception, they understood it to mean exactly this. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | "Normal" people are who created this mess we call The Rules.
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