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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,212 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hotel Splendide --> Michael Ellis (Edited by)
Streamend from internet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=135oXL3fEek |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,212 |
| | Posted: | | | | Brassed Off --> Michael Ellis (Editor)
Streamend on internet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJVqbNBZA58 |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,212 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Last Days of Pompeii (1984) --> Michael Ellis (Editor)
Streamend on internet @ 2.21.57 see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj_t5J2Sw4A |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting huskersports: Quote:
Quoting mreeder50:
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Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire – Visual Effects ... Mike Ellis
I don't have Mike Ellis in my profile of Goblet. Is it a valid credit? Nope, just checked myself: Header is "Visual Effects by Double Negative", which is followed by a looong list of names (among them "Mike Ellis") which nevertheless have no specific role attached -> invalid. Timecode (BluRay: 02:34:48) | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
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Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire – Visual Effects ... Mike Ellis
I don't have Mike Ellis in my profile of Goblet. Is it a valid credit?
Nope,
just checked myself:
Header is "Visual Effects by Double Negative", which is followed by a looong list of names (among them "Mike Ellis") "Visual Effects" is a valid credit, of course. No matter what company Mike Ellis worked for. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
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"Visual Effects" is a valid credit, of course. No matter what company Mike Ellis worked for. Sure it is, but please note that the credit is NOT "Visual Effects by Mike Ellis" but "Visual Effects by Double Negative" followed by a list of their employees. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
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"Visual Effects" is a valid credit, of course. No matter what company Mike Ellis worked for.
Sure it is,
but please note that the credit is NOT "Visual Effects by Mike Ellis" but "Visual Effects by Double Negative" followed by a list of their employees. It's not about wording, but semantics. People ("company employees" as you call them) do the Visual Effects. I give them credit, I will contribute and vote accordingly. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
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People ("company employees" as you call them) do the Visual Effects. I give them credit, I will contribute and vote accordingly. And put yourself outside the contribution rules by this. Please compare the Crew-Chart which explicitly demands specific "Individual Credits" for the Visual Effects section. "Visual Effects by Company Name" can be many things, but for sure is no Individual Credit. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
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People ("company employees" as you call them) do the Visual Effects. I give them credit, I will contribute and vote accordingly.
And put yourself outside the contribution rules by this.
Please compare the Crew-Chart which explicitly demands specific "Individual Credits" for the Visual Effects section.
"Visual Effects by Company Name" can be many things, but for sure is no Individual Credit. So Visual Effects by John Doe 1 John Doe 2 is allowed? And Visual Effects by ABC VFX John Doe 1 John Doe 2 isn't allowed? seems illogical thinking to me. kind of like Additional Photography John Doe 1 DoP John Doe 2 PSM is not allowed but Additional VFX by ABC VFX John Doe 1 VFX Supervisor John Doe 2 DFX Supervisor is allowed but Additonal VFX by ABC VFX John Doe 1 DoP John Doe 2 Make-up isn't. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
So Visual Effects by
John Doe 1
John Doe 2
is allowed? Correct Quote:
And
Visual Effects by ABC VFX
John Doe 1
John Doe 2
isn't allowed? Correct Quote:
seems illogical thinking to me.
kind of like
Additional Photography
John Doe 1 DoP
John Doe 2 PSM
is not allowed Correct (Even though this is heavily disputed) Quote:
but Additional VFX by ABC VFX
John Doe 1 VFX Supervisor
John Doe 2 DFX Supervisor
is allowed IMO incorrect (But as above, the tracing of Additional Whatever if followed by a valid Individual Credit is disputed) Quote:
but Additonal VFX by ABC VFX
John Doe 1 DoP
John Doe 2 Make-up
isn't. See above. BTW: Would you enter "Song Title" John Doe3 Producer ? But I think the point of the rule is, that if we only have a listing of the employees of a company we can not know what specific job they did. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see any producer credit in my examples above.
all I see is a hodgepodge of what is or isn't allowed, depending on who wants to contribute it, is how the community votes on what they think is correct data.
over the past few years the grey areas have been worked to death. Now who really knows what to contribute. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | In this case there is no grey area.
If John Doe has no individual credit (as listed in the Crew-Chart), but is only credited as member of VFX-Company A we do not track him.
You may not like this, but this is what the rule says.
"Individual Credits" is even bolded, I'm not quite sure how this could possibly be interpreted any other way. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
In this case there is no grey area.
If John Doe has no individual credit (as listed in the Crew-Chart), but is only credited as member of VFX-Company A we do not track him.
You may not like this, but this is what the rule says.
"Individual Credits" is even bolded, I'm not quite sure how this could possibly be interpreted any other way. List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name.and that is what Double Negative does, it heads a group of crew. . and for the past 5 years I've seen these exact same credits contributed with numerous yes votes. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Could you please be bothered to check the specific part of the Crew-Chart.  What do you think may be the reason that the VFX section alone has specifically mentioned ""Individual Credits"? Is it by any chance possible that it is implemented to prevent mass-entering of unspecified crew? Quote:
and for the past 5 years I've seen these exact same credits contributed with numerous yes votes. and for the past 7 years (or so) I have seen countless of IMDb carbon copies being accepted to the database (Heck! I've even seen contributions being declined that tried to correct IMDb data)... this doesn't mean that this data is correct. EDIT: Following your "logic" to the end would allow us to enter anything as long as it is listed under a "VFX by Company" - Header, after all they all worked for the VFX company, who cares that the person was only an intern who brought coffee. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
What do you think may be the reason that the VFX section alone has specifically mentioned ""Individual Credits"?
Is it by any chance possible that it is implemented to prevent mass-entering of unspecified crew?
and for the past 7 years (or so) I have seen countless of IMDb carbon copies being accepted to the database (Heck! I've even seen contributions being declined that tried to correct IMDb data)... this doesn't mean that this data is correct.
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Following your "logic" to the end would allow us to enter anything as long as it is listed under a "VFX by Company" - Header, after all they all worked for the VFX company, who cares that the person was only an intern who brought coffee. You are assuming that they are listing an intern. Unless you have first hand knowledge by working beside them on the film, you don't know. This is the same as Special Effects with a list of names following, especially when there is a SFX Coordinator, SFX Foreman and then a list of Special Effects, I know they are the rank and file workers for special effects but they still get contributed. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
You are assuming that they are listing an intern. Unless you have first hand knowledge by working beside them on the film, you don't know.
This is the same as Special Effects with a list of names following, especially when there is a SFX Coordinator, SFX Foreman and then a list of Special Effects, I know they are the rank and file workers for special effects but they still get contributed. In fact I am not assuming anything. It is your point that individual credits are irrelevant if the header is "VFX by Company Name". So if they are irrelevant the only logical conclusion is that interns are allowed for DVDProfiler too (provided they are credited below this header)and so are IT-Techs and what else you may find credited. Strangely though, you seem to refuse my main question: Quote:
What do you think may be the reason that the VFX section alone has specifically mentioned ""Individual Credits"?
Is it by any chance possible that it is implemented to prevent mass-entering of unspecified crew? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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