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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | There is no iron-clad definition other than "the country where the DVD was released". As Lewis Prothero already said: a good indicator is the rating system used on the cover. More info on various rating systems can be found here. It is not uncommon for a release to share several locations. This occurs frequently for e.g. the following combinations: - UK and Ireland - Netherlands and Belgium - Scandinavian countries. In such cases, both localities can be legitimate, provided the localities' languages are in use on the cover. In your case, I would say: check if the rating system on the cover is the Dutch-Belgian rating system (for DVD and Blu-ray releases, the two countries are sharing the same system). If that is indeed the case, then given the fact that the Overview is in French, you can be pretty sure Belgium is the correct Locality. There are also pan-European releases - this is e.g. quite common for music DVDs. Many of these have both a German (FSK-0) and a UK (E) rating on their covers. These releases can be sold anywhere in Europe, but because of their ratings I am always inclined to contribute them with either Germany or UK as their locality. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote: And I don't really care what location I enter, just want to know the definition [...] I gave you the definition in my first response. Whether you like it or not, the criteria are objective, it may be hard to determine for which country the specific release was originally produced, but this doesn't change anything about the definition. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: July 7, 2014 | Posts: 21 |
| Posted: | | | | What about upc 8712609665932?
2 identical Netherlands and Belgium versions (and there are lots of them). In this case I would say Belgium since the language is Dutch/French and they don't speak French in The Netherlands, only in Belgium Dutch and French are official languages. | | | Last edited: by Jsco |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,639 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote: And I don't really care what location I enter, just want to know the definition, since it is not in the 'Contribution Rules' and apparently it does matter since I got a profile deleted because of it. Locality is the country or countries which the title was originally intended to be marketed and released. This is separate from where it may have actually been sold or where the product had been manufactured. | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,639 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote: What about upc 8712609665932?
2 identical Netherlands and Belgium versions (and there are lots of them). In this case I would say Belgium since the language is Dutch/French and they don't speak French in The Netherlands, only in Belgium Dutch and French are official languages. It appears this release was intended for two markets / countries; both the Netherlands and Belgium. Notice on the cover is bilingual and has both a NL and a FR overview. It also lists SPHE.NL and SPHE.BE as the websites on the back cover. Thus this release can be added with the same UPC but two different localities. Now, it's also common for Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden (i.e. localities) to share the same release. Let's take EAN 5051895051658, Inception Blu-ray, as an example. This release has an overview for each of the four countries along with the country flags and country ratings. Now, this EAN uses a 505 prefix which means the UK division of WB handled this release for the Danish, Finnish, Norwegian, and Swedish markets. Thus this EAN can be added four times once under each of the four localities. See back cover here: Inception Blu-ray | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,639 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote: In this case it says www.warnerbros.be
but also
Edité et distribué par Warner Home Video Benelux, une Société de Warner Bros. Entertainment Nederland B.V.
Websites are however not a unique way of describing 'location' see upc 5051888039359. In regards to the Fringe: Season 1 DVD it appears this is a dual locaility release; see explanation above. This release is bilingual and has both the Dutch and French overviews as well as the Netherlands and Belgium web sites listed on the back cover. I see that the database only has it listed for the Netherlands locality though. This just means that someone didn't take the time to contribute it for the Belgium locality. | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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Registered: July 7, 2014 | Posts: 21 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote: Quoting Jsco:
Quote: In this case it says www.warnerbros.be
but also
Edité et distribué par Warner Home Video Benelux, une Société de Warner Bros. Entertainment Nederland B.V.
Websites are however not a unique way of describing 'location' see upc 5051888039359.
In regards to the Fringe: Season 1 DVD it appears this is a dual locaility release; see explanation above. This release is bilingual and has both the Dutch and French overviews as well as the Netherlands and Belgium web sites listed on the back cover.
I see that the database only has it listed for the Netherlands locality though. This just means that someone didn't take the time to contribute it for the Belgium locality. An administrator must have removed the Belgian entry. This morning I had 2 items for this upc (Netherlands and Belgium), now only 1. So probably that means that there shouldn't be duplicates in the database. |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,639 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote: An administrator must have removed the Belgian entry. This morning I had 2 items for this upc (Netherlands and Belgium), now only 1. So probably that means that there shouldn't be duplicates in the database. Admins don't usually go through the database and delete profiles on their own whim. It sounds more like another user made a contribution recommending profile deletion. My concern is if it's the same user who I think it is then IMHO this behavior needs to stop. | | | Last edited: by rdodolak |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote: And I don't really care what location I enter, just want to know the definition, since it is not in the 'Contribution Rules' and apparently it does matter since I got a profile deleted because of it. Yeah. Sadly we have a small number of users here who appointed themselves the cleaners of the database and contribute "to be removed" profiles if they feel they shouldn't be in that locality. Doesn't mean they're right though. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to agree with those that say sometimes it just can't be 100% by a single rule... a lot of people have commented on the fact UK EANs start with 50, however some UK distributors (Warner for example) often have the discs pressed in another country (often Sweden starting 73) though they are still IMO UK Locality as they are printed in English and with UK only rating info and are only ever sold in the UK. | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote: What about upc 8712609665932?
2 identical Netherlands and Belgium versions (and there are lots of them). In this case I would say Belgium since the language is Dutch/French and they don't speak French in The Netherlands, only in Belgium Dutch and French are official languages. Both NL and B are legitimate localities here, as I already explained. The only difference between both profiles should be that in the NL profile the French Overview should be omitted per the contribution rules. I already told you that combined NL/B releases are very common and that there's nothing wrong with that. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 767 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote: Quoting rdodolak:
Quote: Quoting Jsco:
Quote: In this case it says www.warnerbros.be
but also
Edité et distribué par Warner Home Video Benelux, une Société de Warner Bros. Entertainment Nederland B.V.
Websites are however not a unique way of describing 'location' see upc 5051888039359.
In regards to the Fringe: Season 1 DVD it appears this is a dual locaility release; see explanation above. This release is bilingual and has both the Dutch and French overviews as well as the Netherlands and Belgium web sites listed on the back cover.
I see that the database only has it listed for the Netherlands locality though. This just means that someone didn't take the time to contribute it for the Belgium locality. An administrator must have removed the Belgian entry. This morning I had 2 items for this upc (Netherlands and Belgium), now only 1. So probably that means that there shouldn't be duplicates in the database. The Belgian locality of Fringe: Season 1 has never been contributed to the database. Check http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=contributionnotes&type=DVD&ProfileUPC=5051888039359.30. |
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Registered: July 7, 2014 | Posts: 21 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting marcelb7: Quote: Quoting Jsco:
Quote: Quoting rdodolak:
Quote: Quoting Jsco:
Quote: In this case it says www.warnerbros.be
but also
Edité et distribué par Warner Home Video Benelux, une Société de Warner Bros. Entertainment Nederland B.V.
Websites are however not a unique way of describing 'location' see upc 5051888039359.
In regards to the Fringe: Season 1 DVD it appears this is a dual locaility release; see explanation above. This release is bilingual and has both the Dutch and French overviews as well as the Netherlands and Belgium web sites listed on the back cover.
I see that the database only has it listed for the Netherlands locality though. This just means that someone didn't take the time to contribute it for the Belgium locality. An administrator must have removed the Belgian entry. This morning I had 2 items for this upc (Netherlands and Belgium), now only 1. So probably that means that there shouldn't be duplicates in the database. The Belgian locality of Fringe: Season 1 has never been contributed to the database. Check http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=contributionnotes&type=DVD&ProfileUPC=5051888039359.30. Dammit, I mentioned upc 8712609665932, that is Breaking Bad S1. Don't know why al of a sudden we were talking about Fringe. Anyway, I got Fringe 1 too. Do I understand correctly that I can add it as a Belgian entry although it is exactly the same. If that are the rules, its fine to me but it sounds strange. |
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Registered: June 6, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 950 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote: Do I understand correctly that I can add it as a Belgian entry although it is exactly the same. If that are the rules, its fine to me but it sounds strange. There are other examples of identical disc and package entered in different localities: - Many releases are for the entire north american market and have both the US and canadian ratings on the back cover. You will then find two profiles with the same UPC, one US and one in the .3 locality (Canada). -The same happens also for canadian releases with covers in both official languages. Those are often entered twice in the database, one for the .3 locality, another for the .19 (Canada, Quebec) locality. In that case, however, the title and overview will be in english in one case (3), in french in the other (19). | | | Last edited: by Wigram |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | There's nothing strange about this from the perspective of media companies being able to serve several interrelated markets through a single release. DVDP rules merely reflect that reality. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 767 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jsco: Quote: Quoting marcelb7:
Quote: The Belgian locality of Fringe: Season 1 has never been contributed to the database. Check http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=contributionnotes&type=DVD&ProfileUPC=5051888039359.30. Dammit, I mentioned upc 8712609665932, that is Breaking Bad S1. Don't know why al of a sudden we were talking about Fringe. Anyway, I got Fringe 1 too. Do I understand correctly that I can add it as a Belgian entry although it is exactly the same. If that are the rules, its fine to me but it sounds strange. 8712609665932 is in the database with both localities Belgium and Netherlands. No deletion there. From a Flanders point of view, there may be little differences between Dutch and Belgian locality entries. However, some releases have bilingual covers, so in some cases it might be handy to enter the Dutch language cover under locality NL, and the French language cover under locality BE. There are likely some French speaking Belgians using DVD Profiler, who want to do so. Dee1959jay made the same point a couple posts back. For a Dutch cover, enter it under locality Belgium. Or Netherlands. Or both. As long as it's not locality UK, US, Australia, or any of the other ones. To get back to the point of the original post, it sometimes happens that locality and country of origin are switched. I've seen it all too many times. In almost all cases, the profiles were submitted by new and inexperienced users. A simple PM with an explanation helps them get it right with their next contribution. So why not add a simple explanation of "what is a locality" in the contribution rules? I'm all for it. | | | Last edited: by marcelb7 |
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