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Quoting dvdoug:

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Just thought I'd let you non-native speakers know that English uses 'series' for both singular and plural - that is: a series/many series, not a serie/many series. It's a funny word like that.

learn something new everyday

Quoting Kinematics:

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All right, then I guess the last question to clear up would be, what labels do you use on the Edition field to distinguish between the boxes:  box w/single volume (usually vol 1), box with entire series, box with thinpacks (discs added by disc ID) and empty box?

I use what it says on the cover, e.g. with Box+Vol 1's
Vandread: Special Collector's Box (this is used a lot with Pioneer/Geneon DVD's)
Haibane-Renmei: Limited Edition Box (this is used a lot with Bandai DVD's)
ADV seems to use just the Special/Limited Edition.

For complete collections it states that its the whole serie. Thinpacks dont have any special labels as far as i know.

A thinpack is just a bulimic keep case! 

I think that will somewhat depend on how the discussion on child profiles for TV series turns out.  If the concensus is that child profile data be replicated at the box set level, then use all studios.  If not, then only the distributor should be on the studios.  For running time, if child data is not replicated then it should be the total running time for whichever DVDs come in the box when purchased.  (If it's only volume 1, then just volume 1's running time.)  If child data is replicated, then use the full series running time.

Of course I just realized that -that- assumes that replicating child data would include all discs for the series.  That actually gets back to the original poll question.

So, going back to the poll, if the people voting for 'other' are agreeing with my original description, it's clear that the support is for having the base profile for the box, not the disc.  Of those voting for that specific subset, all of them seem to want info from the entire series provided.

So, rebuilding from the base poll questions, you can have:

Profile with no data replication: Extras include volumes that come with the box (if less than all volumes), as well as box-only extras.  Distributor as only studio.  Run time set appropriate to however many discs come with purchase.  No cast/crew.

Profile with restricted data replication: Extras include volumes that come with the box (if less than all volumes), as well as box-only extras.  Full studio listing.  Run time set appropriate to however many discs come with purchase (variant: put full series length here).  Cast/crew of discs provided at purchase are replicated.

Profile with full data replication:  Extras include volumes that come with the box (if less than all volumes), as well as box-only extras.  Full studio listing.  Run time set to full series length.  Cast/crew of all discs added to box profile.


In no case do I think copying extras from the entire series is appropriate, especially since the Other Features field is still pretty tiny (there's still plenty of times it won't even hold the other extras from a single disc).

If full replication is used, then when a complete box set or thinpak is released, it's easy enough to just duplicate the profile and make minor adjustments, but more work to keep updated as new volumes come out.  If partial replication is used, that adds to the work needed when making new box set profiles, but you don't have to change the profile based on other releases down the line.  If no replication is used, it's again easy to duplicate, and no extra work required as new volumes come out, but less useful to those who want the box set only and not the child profiles.

Thus it's mainly a compromise between work needed to keep it updated and how much info it provides as a standalone profile.  Probably need another poll to refine the results.

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whispering, do you think a more specific poll is needed in this case, or is there enough input to decide on how to handle it?  Or is this entire issue on hold?  Now that I've got most of my collection re-uploaded, I'd like to start work on cleaning up some of the specifics, and this issue is one of the hold-ups.

Still waiting for awhile if anyone wants to give their 2 cents. After that i'll make another, more specific poll.

Quoting Blueloopstah:

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In my opinion a box + vol x should be treated exactly the same as a DVD that comes in a shop exclusive or limited edition slipcase or tin, as all the box is is a fancy case cover that just happens to be big enough to fit some more DVDs in.

Title- from box
Scans- from box
Info- from DVD inside box (same as for a slipcover or tin) this is a DVD profiler after all.
Extras- T-shirts, CDs, manga etc.

Buying the box + vol x is in no way at all related to whether or not you purchase the other DVDs of the same series and decide to place them in the convenient space available within the box.

Just because it comes with a box does not make it a boxset.

Here we go again; reinventing the wheel! 

Quoting Remus:

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not all anime vol with box comes with the 1st volume, nor the last volumne... adv is now doing it with the 2nd volumne.

if you do the child profiles.... they titles will all be out of order.

also not all dvds that are released with the series box has a upc code... FLCL vol 3 with box and Full Metal Panic 1 with Box, their DVD Covers do NOT have a UPC Code.  To say they are the same content wise is true... however they do not use the same UPC codes as the single version.

The box that is used with these releases may not be the final version that is used to collect the series.  This is for the regular dvd cases... how some studios are going with the thinpaks when the do the full collection.  Also even if they do use the same "box" they will issue a new UPC Code for that collection.

To me its a question of am I using dvd profiler to track my dvds and what I buy... or to track the boxes and extras that come with my dvds?

Take My-Hime from Bandai Entertainment... they issued vol 1 with box which I bought... now vol 7 will have a new box... which I will also buy.  Yeah I am gonna trash the box with vol 1.  Now how will this be listed?  Since I am gonna toss the vol 1 box... do I list the "box" on dvd profiler even thou the box will be gone? Yes cause I paid for vol 1 with box.  Same can be said of RahXephon from ADV.  Box with vol 1 and a new series box with the LE movie.

Lets get back to what DVD Profiler was made to do and that is track our DVDs.  If you want to list the box name instead of the DVD volume it came with... thats ok but keep it local for your own preference.

Doesn't matter if they sell a subsequent disc with a new box or not.  If the UPC is the same on the two boxes, then you have to go with the original one.  No different than when they issue a movie in a keep case with new art work but the same UPC.  The original art prevails online.

Also, it doesn't matter what order you attach child profiles to the master in the boxset button.  The program tracks them in ID order.  You should use the Sort Title field to ensure that they display in the proper order.

A profile should match what you bought. It should not have other items that you MIGHT buy linked to it.

Since there are a few examples of boxes that came with more then one disc I think it's best to go with a profile for the box, and daughter(s) for the discs that came in the box. It's better to have one system that works for all examples then a bunch of exceptions.

Daughter profiles should use Disc ID. Even if it's the same as the single version with the same UPC it's not the same product. The single has a non-zero SRP, the daughter profile should have a SRP of zero.  Just sticking the single into the box profile will result in the profile containing wrong data. You can take the single profile, change the UPC to disc ID, zero the SRP and resubmit to save work.

The boxset contents should be locked. Items that are sold as separate items should not be added to the online database. If you want to put them into the box as you buy them fine, but keep it local.

Reasons not to add other discs to the box profile include.

1- Not everyone buys the discs at the same time, some people may wait for sales, others my drop a series half way (I gave up on Noir after volume 3) so the online profile would not match what people have if later discs are added. Right now having something in the box set field will not do anything but...

2- Future changes to Box set handling to make "real" box sets work better.
- Auto add box set daughter profiles when adding a box set.
- Hide/Block/Remove data that should not be in a "real" box set daughter profile.
    * SRP
    * Price paid
    * release date
    * Purchase date

There is also the issue that folks all flag the vol X with Box as Boxsets... they are not box sets... they are in a regular dvd keepcase and the series box is an extra.

if I buy vol x with series box... i am not buying a boxset.  i have to buy additional volumes to fill the box.

also when i add vol x with box... it shows all the "child" profiles folks are adding to em...

I am sorry but buying this release doesnt give me those additional dvds.

you want to track a boxset release then do so... but when the company solicits these dvds... its title name vol. # for regular and its title name vol. # then LE or SE for the version with the series box.

they dont put the "box" title as the release name.

Quoting Remus:

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you want to track a boxset release then do so... but when the company solicits these dvds... its title name vol. # for regular and its title name vol. # then LE or SE for the version with the series box.

they dont put the "box" title as the release name.

Not true.
If you go to ADV's web site and look under "now available" you will see...
Utawarerumono Volume 2: In The Face of Evil
Utawarerumono Volume 2 + Box
This is more or less standard, and it's what you will see in catalogues and at online stores.  When you look at the actual box no, Box is not in the title as a rule (there are exceptions) because it's bleeding obvious that it's a box.

Take the second Kodocha box.
All four sides of the box just say Kodocha. There is a small "2" on the bottom.
A sticker on the shrink wrap said...
Babbit Box II Includes:
Volume 7 * Adult Sized Secrets
Volume 8 * Sana's Duty

So what would the title for this be?
Kodocha
Kodocha 2
Babbit Box II
Kodacha Volumes 7-8 with box

I have this one local since I was not sure what to do with it.