Quoting Scooter1836:

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Entering J./R.R.// is entering it so that the system will inject the space as you wish it to be and not how it appears in the credits.

Who would have thought the Invelos forums would be a hotbed of space phobia?

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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I did a test... because I remembered Ken putting an automatic filter for initials in...

I put in J.K. / / Simmons into a profile and attempted to upload it to see what it gave me... it AUTOMATICALLY put it as...

J. / K. / Simmons [J.K. Simmons]

This tells me that Ken not only wanted the initials separated... he also wanted to preserve exactly how it looks in the credits.

Going by this fact... the way I would do it is (unless I can find definitive proof what name(s) are first and what name(s) are middle)...

A./A. A./Smith [A.A.A. Smith]

As there is an established exception for initials when it comes to using the credited as name.

I don't believe the filter tells us anything about what Ken wanted nor does it create an established exception as the filter only functions under specific conditions...see my post here.  Since the filter ignores credits formatted in this manner, and leaves them 'as is', I think it best to do the same.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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This is one time I disagree with you... it shows exactly how Ken designed the filter to work with initials and periods. I see absolutely no reason a case with three initials and three periods would be done any differently then the way he programed the filter to do with 2 initials and periods.

It shows exactly how Ken wanted cases where there are two initials (First and Middle).

I would disagree that it implies that we can extrapolate the same logic for cases where there are 3 initials and a last name.

As Martian pointed out in his link there are some initial cases where the filter deliberately does nothing.  The conditions that the filter deals with are the conditions the filter deals with. Unless Ken chimes in or alters the filter we should not assume a new condition applies and we should be doing actions other than putting in the screen credit exactly.

Quoting hal9g:

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As pointed out by Pete, the filter obviously wants the first initial and the middle initials separated into different fields when they are onscreen with no spaces between but with periods. If it wants it done this way for "single" middle initial, it stands to reason that Ken wants it done this way for "double" middle initials also.

Well Pete is incorrect on that because what was accurately pointed out by Martian was that some initial cases are dealt with by the filter and some are not.  I do not see how we can make the assumption that this case is one of those "positive" cases where it should be manipulated. Ken specifically coded for some cases and not others.  For all we know this is one where he wanted no manipulation by design.  Some were deliberately left out.  Unless Ken chimes in (or changes the filter to do it that way) we should not make that assumption.

Quoting hal9g:

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Again I would argue that entering J.R.R. into the FIRSTNAME field violates the Rules because you are entering clearly incorrect data into the field, knowing full well that his first name is not "J.R.R."

The "R.R." are the man's middle initials. Not putting them in the MIDDLENAME field would be a second violation of the Rules.

How is not putting the the name exactly as credited violating the rules? All that is violated is your personal preference.

Quoting hal9g:

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So the correct answer is "J./R.R./Tolkien [J.R.R. Tolkien]"

No that is not the correct assumption or logic.  If Ken wants it that way he will have to chime in and probably change the filter to accommodate the condition.  We should not be making any assumption on data manipulation by ourselves.

Your latest argument breaks down because you are assuming what Ken wants in his database,.  You or I (or anyone else on this forum) cannot make that assumption.  Until he chimes in or alters the filter we have to enter it in such a way that falls into the current rules. Which is "Exactly as credited"  So "J.R.R. Tolkien" as a screen credit with only one space separating "J.R.R." and "Tolkien" would be entered in as "J.R.R.//Tolkien"

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Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Using that logic, entering 'J.R.R. Tolkien' into the first name field is also entering the name exactly as it appears on screen.

However, as has been discussed at length, the FIRSTNAME field is for the first name. J.R.R. is not his first name.

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It is also known, for a fact, that 'J.' is not his first name either, so that argument doesn't fly. 

This is just a specious argument. Single initials with periods are placed in both the FIRSTNAME and the MIDDLENAME fields all the time when that is the only data provided in the credits. Everyone knows they are almost never first or middle names, but they are still entered.

As pointed out by Pete, the filter obviously wants the first initial and the middle initials separated into different fields when they are onscreen with no spaces between but with periods. If it wants it done this way for "single" middle initial, it stands to reason that Ken wants it done this way for "double" middle initials also.

Again I would argue that entering J.R.R. into the FIRSTNAME field violates the Rules because you are entering clearly incorrect data into the field, knowing full well that his first name is not "J.R.R."

The "R.R." are the man's middle initials. Not putting them in the MIDDLENAME field would be a second violation of the Rules.

So the correct answer is "J./R.R./Tolkien [J.R.R. Tolkien]"

so by your reasoning- Carol Christine Hilaria Pounder, better known as CCH Pounder should be credited as  C CH Pounder instead of CCH Pounder. I don't think so. It's a stage name/artist name the same as A.A.A. Smith or J.R.R. Tolkien. Even R.L. Tolbert should be left alone without any automatic filter.

Quoting hal9g:

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This is why nothing ever gets resolved on this forum. It is a waste of time.

You say I'm using personal preference when I want to enter the man's first name initial in the FIRSTNAME field and his two middle initials in the MIDDLENAME fields. By entering it the way I  stated in my last post, everyone gets what they want. Data fields entered with the correct data AND display of the name in the program to match exactly what appears on screen......but you still want to argue to have it the way you personally want it even though you are entering incorrect data.

And since Tolkien is not an actor, it's a bit of a stretch to claim that it's his "stage name". But apparently, you guys will make any argument that you think justifies your invalid position.

Once again, in Ken's infinite wisdom, everyone can do it whatever way they wish in their local database.

No that is not true

I have not stated what I would like personally.  I have only been citing the facts of the filter and the rules for contribution.  You have no idea what I would like to "personally" see or not see. 

But the rules are there for data consistency for the online database. 

There is nothing to really resolve here.  The rules cover the matter.  Now if Ken wants to chime in with a change them so be it.  But no one in this forum can say yes to the change you are asking for with any authority. 

Right now your position is personal preference, which you are allowed to have in your local database. 

The true fact of the matter is that based on the current filter behavior and rules, the screen credit of "J.R.R. Tolkien" cannot be entered as "J./R.R./Tolkien [J.R.R. Tolkien]" because the common name is not "J. R.R. Tolkien" based on the CLT or any common name thread.  Since this your proposed manipulation is not backed up by the filter, the rules, or any clarification there is no validity to it as far as a contribution to the online database is concerned.

The online database captures the name "As Credited", not the person's real name.  The common name is based on the most common credited name for the person within the Invelos database.  Not what you or I may consider the persons "real" name to be.

Right or wrong that is done for data consistency for the online database.

Quoting scotthm:

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Who would have thought the Invelos forums would be a hotbed of space phobia?

I DID!

Quoting Scooter1836:

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Do the rules state to enter it "Exactly As Credited" - Answer: Yes

Do we enter it  "Exactly As Credited" - Answer: No, since we transform capital letters to small letters.

So all this discussion about "as on screen" is just wasted time.