but these are userfriendly rules for each country? why will not taken the title from the publisher. no more discussion about "a", "an", "and", "as", "at", "but", "by", "for", "in", "it", "nor", "of", "on", "or", "the", "to", and "up" or "with". the simplest solution for every country.

yup... the only one that can tell you the true intent of the rules is Ken. Not even the rules writer can tell you the intent that matters... as the only intent that matters is Ken's intent when he accepted and posted the rules.

And this is coming from one of the many members that helped write the rules.

Quoting GSyren:

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Understanding and following the intent of the rule, rather than slavishly following it to the letter, is not quite the same thing as ignoring the rule, in my opinion.

Based on Ken's post in the Men in Black thread, I believe this is Ken's opinion also: http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=667247&PageNum=10".

Quoting Ken:

"One-off rulings on individual titles are a waste of time - there is always a new twist available to cast a slightly different shade of gray, and users cannot be expected to scour the forums on a title-by-title basis.  Similarly, refining and complicating the rules to satisfactorily contain each of these new variants is an exercise in futility.

Local databases can support an infinite variety of variants for title and other fields, and the local locks are available to make those changes permanent.  With this in mind, hopefully the supporters on both sides of this and other similar debates can agree that the direction of a decision here is less important that the fact of a decision.  Consistency for submission to the online is possible and what we should shoot for.  Agreement on how it "should be" is neither possible nor (thankfully) necessary."

Quoting GSyren:

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As for interpretation, there are lots of rules that must be interpreted. Even the rule under discussion.

Understood.

Should have written "The problem with  rules ..." as opener for my post. 

My point was that there is a difference between "interpreting" and "ignoring".
I may interpret a rule unto a point where the unprepared mind doesn't recognise it anymore, but it is still the basis of my interpretation.

You can hardly argue with "interpretations" (at least not as long as they remain in a widely accepted logical system), since, for a given value of correct, they all are correct.

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One could well argue that it's not a case of two titles in different languages, but a single title using two languages, in which case the rule does not apply.

A voice of reason ...
It even makes sense ... Just hope that no one sees this. 

Wow, I just locked all my correct german titles, so I don't loose them...

Wargames is a very good example, since I don't know anybody who calls this movie "Kriegsspiele".
"Kriegsspiele" is just a german subtitle for people who don't speak english language.

I was really thankful that german users until now used to bend (not break) rules to get better results.
Hopefully that won't change.

if you follow the rules:

"If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ..."

you have to enter "Das Ritual" and "The Rite" as original titel. same as "Wargames - Kriegsspiele". that is the point why i prefer to take the titel from publisher.

"... but the rule says what it says."

and does not understand that there are other countries with other practice.

for everyone who knows the movie "Wargames - Kriegsspiele", it is clear that the movie has the title "Wargames - Kriegsspiele" and not "Kriegsspiele" because he came to the cinema as "Wargames - Kriegsspiele", you buy the movie as "Wargames - Kriegsspiele" and so on. only the rules from Invelos forces us to slightly different. sorry but this is not acceptable.

also wikipedia list him so.

ok, other practice is better.