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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I know you are just trying to be funny Kathy... but as you know... and stating the obvious for others... that is just 1 example.
An honorific can come before the name... after... or both before and after the name. | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I was trying to be funny but, there is truth to what I what I was joking about. The section you put in bold, and that I quoted, could be used to dispute the fact that "Uncle" is an honorific since he does not put "Uncle" after his name.
I spent a few minutes finding reputable resources and found many that would also argue that "Uncle" is not an honorific.
How about this definition I found: "An honorific — a designation that identifies gender, profession, or title of nobility."
Based on that definition we need to change profiler so that any credits with Mr., Mrs. or the like be subject to the honorific rule.
An honorific needs to be earned and is something that one works hard to achieve. It is not just something of happenstance.
How many titles will actually be affected by whatever decision is made - maybe a handful?
What I do know is that the time wasted on this topic is better spent on other contributions. |
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Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | There's nothing special you do at all to be an uncle. Not an honorific. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | This is the way I always been taught... Quote: a title or word implying or expressing high status, politeness, or respect. If Invelos doesn't want stuff like Aunt, Uncle, Mr., Mrs. etc. to be treated the same I will of course abide by what they say. But until then all I can do is go by the meaning of honorific as I was taught. Voting and contributing this way. I will try to get Ken's attention to this thread to see if we can get it settled. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | If it's not part of the name and not a stage name it's not much else it can be as far as the database is concerned whether we call it "honorific" or not. Of course, it could be a stage name, we have a Queen Latifah and Queen sounds quite honorific yet it's not in this case. But how about King George or Queen Victoria? I hope they are not credited somewhere... | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Who decided "Uncle" is not a stage name? Or not part of the actor's name?
He is only "Uncle" to a very small number of people - why should he be given "...high status, politeness, or respect."?
What about religious names? When a nun takes her vows, she legally changes her name. The credits in my database all list "Sister" in the first name field along with the name she picked when she became a nun.
Why should "Uncle" Ray be treated with the same respect as Mother Teresa?
As far as the credits go - how do you know that "Uncle" isn't part of his name? How can the community know what names have or have not been legally changed?
What about those that call each other "Brother" or "Sister" even if they are not related? None of the credits in my database list them as honorifics.
What about the following? - Moms Mabley - Is that her Legal Name? Stage Name? Honorific?
Without input from invelos, I will go by the meaning of honorific that I was taught and "Uncle" Ray does not deserve that title. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I put in a message to Invelos to try to get some insight on this. Until then (if it comes at all)... I can only say everyone should vote and contribute the way they believe is correct. Sure that makes it where there is 2 camps... both feeling they are correct per the rules... and no consistency for the online... but it is hardly the only rule this is true for.
Hopefully we will hear something sooner rather then later. | | | Pete |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I sound a bit bitchy - my apologies Pete - I'm having a bad day like you did last week and my temp. is 103.
I would erase my post but I believe in the sentiment although I should have worded things better.
Back to bed... |
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Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote: There's nothing special you do at all to be an uncle. Not an honorific. This. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: I sound a bit bitchy - my apologies Pete - I'm having a bad day like you did last week and my temp. is 103.
I would erase my post but I believe in the sentiment although I should have worded things better.
Back to bed... No apology necessary Kathy... feel better soon! | | | Pete |
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Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,879 |
| Posted: | | | | I would consider any sort of title to fall under the honorific rule - whether it be Uncle, Mr., Mrs., Sister, Father, etc. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -- Thorin Oakenshield |
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | My two cents (if it is worth that much)
Uncle is not a title or honorific. I would treat it as a stage name.
IMHO
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Registered: March 16, 2007 | Posts: 278 |
| Posted: | | | | I have no formal obligation to refer to any of my parents' siblings as either "aunt" or "uncle." In fact, because I hadn't seen many of them in over 30 years, at a recent family gathering, I simply refer to them by their first name.
When one does use a familiar pronoun, it is an honorific.
I already remove other titles like Mr., Mrs., Father, Reverend, Senator, and such because none of those are an actual first name, and quite frankly, from a data quality perspective, it breaks sorting on the first name field.
Queen Latifah is, in fact a stage name, because her real name is Dana Owens. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | And now, ladies and gentlemen: the poll. |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote: I would consider any sort of title to fall under the honorific rule - whether it be Uncle, Mr., Mrs., Sister, Father, etc. +1 | | | Images from movies |
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