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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | Edit: Oh, my major bad.  The Overview is there. Somehow it didn't appear when I first refreshed. So, all is good now. Thanks for all the attempts to make me whole. Perhaps I will give it a go again. I have a bunch of Japanese Pop DVD titles, some of which are not in the database. And, over time, I plan to add more cast / crew to the profile I have been discussing - it has literally a cast of hundreds - I am not likely to complete it. Is it acceptable to submit partial cast / crew, or does the list have to be complete before submitting? @Lithurge, sorry for trampling over your post and thanks for your help. | | | Thanks for your support.
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Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ha, whilst I was replying you edited your post, so deleted  | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Lithurge |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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Quoting Kulju:
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So you always just blindly accept all changes? 
Yep.
I lock certain things - titles, genres and covers - but I happily accept all the rest.
As do I. I keep everything locked, just in case. I've seen enough examples of contributions that are either a conscious sabotage of a profile (changing title/overview or something else to a different language and certainly not an oversight or accident), or a negligent mishap of copying something from another locality profile and getting all kinds of wrong info in... What I don't understand is that some people contribute a completely different overview to a profile WITH a back cover image which clearly shows that existing overview is correct - and still the contribution gets approved. What do the people, whose task it is to check the contributions, actually check? So, to avoid any real damage to my existing profiles, I always lock everything and go through contribution changes profile by profile when I download them. Safest that way. I don't use much of online database nowadays, but I will accept changes when they clearly are correct - so I need to keep a watch anyway  | | | Mika
I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) | | | | Last edited: by Draxen |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | Man, you guys are making me nervous. I thought the database was the "crown jewel" of DVD Profiler with so many protectors to make sure it stayed in tact. So, it must mean that the contributions process is very broken, if such damage can be done so easily. I would hope that there is a regression process that can be triggered in the event of sabotage, or a waiting period before a profile gets set in stone ... or something to protect from malicious disaster???? | | | Thanks for your support.
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Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | In my experience what Draxen describes is a very rare occurence. Even more rare if those contributions were actually approved against valid no votes. At least that's the case in the localities I'm used to. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is weird. As I said, I got the released profile downloaded. And then I caught a couple of typos in the Overview, so I made those fixes and submitted just the Overview. Now all of a sudden the online profile has gone back to a blank Overview. This time, I got the database and the actual profile backed up, but I am perplexed that I can't seem to get consistent results, and thereby have trouble understanding how things work. Profile in question: 812491-014011 (The Four) Maybe the "Gods" let me download it once to recapture my data and then reset it - I don't know? Now, I see what is happening. On my server, a profile refresh from the Online is retrieving the old profile. On my laptop, running a non-shared copy of the database, the Online changes that I submitted are coming down. I don't get this at all ...  | | | Thanks for your support.
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Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I go to download the profile and the overview shows fine. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I go to download the profile and the overview shows fine. Thanks, chalk all this up to a newbie splashing around trying not to sink. When I previewed the changes and clicked the Accept boxes, I finally got everything. But I didn't recall having the profile locked - that was the original problem. Sorry to waste all this time guys - but if I understand the contributions process better, I am hoping an idea for some kind of additional productivity tool(s) will emerge. | | | Thanks for your support.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 681 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting iPatsa: Quote:
In my experience what Draxen describes is a very rare occurence. Even more rare if those contributions were actually approved against valid no votes. At least that's the case in the localities I'm used to. Yes, it is not too common nowadays, but the combination of "small" locality and a bit more rare release can provide bad contributions getting through. And we had at least one contributor, who deliberately sabotaged many Finnish profiles. Haven't seen him for a long time (knocks on wood...) And it is strange how sometimes, when I check the list of updated profiles, I have never even got to vote on the changes. I have the release in my collection, also online, and I check the contributions that are up to voting every 2-3 days. Still, sometimes there are profile changes approved (sometimes to worse than they were) where I never even had the chance to vote on the changes. So I never accept any changes without checking. Means more time to be spent when previewing, but at least not anything gets "destroyed". | | | Mika
I hate people who love me, and they hate me. (Bender Bending Rodriguez) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've seen a few UK profiles with somebody trying to update them to Danish recently, none of them made it through the voting process. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,337 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote:
And it is strange how sometimes, when I check the list of updated profiles, I have never even got to vote on the changes. I have the release in my collection, also online, and I check the contributions that are up to voting every 2-3 days. Still, sometimes there are profile changes approved (sometimes to worse than they were) where I never even had the chance to vote on the changes. I've noticed that too. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Draxen: Quote:
Yes, it is not too common nowadays, but the combination of "small" locality and a bit more rare release can provide bad contributions getting through. And we had at least one contributor, who deliberately sabotaged many Finnish profiles. Haven't seen him for a long time (knocks on wood...)
And it is strange how sometimes, when I check the list of updated profiles, I have never even got to vote on the changes. I have the release in my collection, also online, and I check the contributions that are up to voting every 2-3 days. Still, sometimes there are profile changes approved (sometimes to worse than they were) where I never even had the chance to vote on the changes.
So I never accept any changes without checking. Means more time to be spent when previewing, but at least not anything gets "destroyed". A new contribution can be accepted in 2-3 days so I guess that could happen. The problem in the Swedsh locality is a lack of updates. ANY updates. Not even bad ones are made these days.  It seems I'm doing most of the updates mysef, but of course I only see the profiles I own, but those are still in the thousand. Another problem is newbies who don't understand the concept of localities (or confuse it with CoO), or simply forget to change it before they contribute their changes. But this usually goes away once you have explained it to them, something the program fails entirely to do because it hardly mentions the subject or how it is supposed to work. So the blame partly falls on Invelos here, if they explained the concept better I think there would be fewer unintentional mistakes. But if you catch someone intentionally sabotaging the database you should of course report them so they can be banned from contributing, if sending PMs and no votes doesn't help. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote:
Quoting Draxen:
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And it is strange how sometimes, when I check the list of updated profiles, I have never even got to vote on the changes. I have the release in my collection, also online, and I check the contributions that are up to voting every 2-3 days. Still, sometimes there are profile changes approved (sometimes to worse than they were) where I never even had the chance to vote on the changes.
I've noticed that too. I've noticed that as well. And I also manually copy covers from the voting screens to dvd profiler before they get accepted/rejected if I want to make sure I get them regardless of the screeners or any voting - which means I hardly ever accept cover image changes which get sent automatically | | | | Paul |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote:
Man, you guys are making me nervous. I thought the database was the "crown jewel" of DVD Profiler with so many protectors to make sure it stayed in tact. So, it must mean that the contributions process is very broken, if such damage can be done so easily. I would hope that there is a regression process that can be triggered in the event of sabotage, or a waiting period before a profile gets set in stone ... or something to protect from malicious disaster???? and you wonder why we took a sudden intake of breath when you said you accept everything? I hardly ever accept overview changes since I usually change mine to include the Easter Egg information - which doesn't go to the Android Mobile app (and possible other changes as well) | | | | Paul |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,463 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
and you wonder why we took a sudden intake of breath when you said you accept everything?
Oh I can understamd why you do the audit, maybe even more so now. But even if I wanted to, the cost in terms of my time and sacrificing other things I want to do ... is too high. But that's my priorities. What is a bit of a surprise, is that the risk of not doing it is higher than I previously thought, so I might find some kind of middle ground ... not sure what that is right now. And that's where my idea of tools comes in. I'm always trying to think of a way I can make a computer do stuff I don't want to do. | | | Thanks for your support.
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Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote:
Quoting pauls42:
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and you wonder why we took a sudden intake of breath when you said you accept everything?
Oh I can understamd why you do the audit, maybe even more so now. But even if I wanted to, the cost in terms of my time and sacrificing other things I want to do ... is too high. But that's my priorities.
What is a bit of a surprise, is that the risk of not doing it is higher than I previously thought, so I might find some kind of middle ground ... not sure what that is right now. And that's where my idea of tools comes in. I'm always trying to think of a way I can make a computer do stuff I don't want to do. I think i'm probably doing that middle ground - I check the covers & overview to make sure I like the look of the change (note - I'm not trying to compare the change to the dvd). Does the colour of the cover look better than my version? Does my overview contain information I want to keep or is the new version just reformatting (adding italic etc) - in which case I take the change. I accept cast/crew/other changes like sound etc without question and as to tools - don't forget the dvd profiler itself shows the differences between old & new for every section/part (and you can hide those parts which are identical in the old/new profile) | | | | Paul | | | | Last edited: by pauls42 |
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