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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | A ruling here would be good Ken, if you're not too busy. |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 |  Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | It looks like the majority prefer that, for Disc ID based profiles, the disc ID listed in the discs section should be required to match.
Rather than just make a ruling, I would prefer to adjust the contribution acceptance system to mandate that (if present) the disc ID of the first listed disc on a disc ID based profile must match. If there are no objections, that's the route I'll take.
Can anyone think of a case that this would cause problems? Also, is there ever a reason to have any more than one disc listing in a disc id based profile? | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only reason I see is so that there isn't many profiles that are exactly the same (other then the disc ID) in the database. When adding them to your collection... it can allow all the discs with same content to point to the same profile. In my eyes (which I know I am in the minority) saves on confusion and saves on clutter of the online database. I will say I am happy to see that I am not alone in my views on this. Going by the other thread I wasn't expecting as many votes agreeing with me as there was.  | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
[...] Also, is there ever a reason to have any more than one disc listing in a disc id based profile? I reread your post several times and not 100% sure what you are saying in the above post... so my above reply may or may not be something you asked about.  If by the part that I have quoted you mean having more then one disc id in the disc section of the profile.. I wouldn't want that... think it will cause nothing but confusion... making it look like there should be more then one physical disc. But then again I could be completely confused about the entire post.  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Rather than just make a ruling, I would prefer to adjust the contribution acceptance system to mandate that (if present) the disc ID of the first listed disc on a disc ID based profile must match. If there are no objections, that's the route I'll take. That sounds like an excellent idea. Quote:
Can anyone think of a case that this would cause problems? I certainly can't. Quote:
Also, is there ever a reason to have any more than one disc listing in a disc id based profile? No. The whole reason for a Disc ID based profile is to list the contents of a specific disc; so to have multiple/different IDs attached would defeat the purpose and confuse the issue. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
It looks like the majority prefer that, for Disc ID based profiles, the disc ID listed in the discs section should be required to match.
Rather than just make a ruling, I would prefer to adjust the contribution acceptance system to mandate that (if present) the disc ID of the first listed disc on a disc ID based profile must match. If there are no objections, that's the route I'll take.  Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Can anyone think of a case that this would cause problems? I don't think so. Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Also, is there ever a reason to have any more than one disc listing in a disc id based profile? I have set up a few in my local where, for instance, there's an outer box [UPC profile] with 4 films on 4 discs inside 2 inner boxes or digipaks. I've set up a Disc-ID profile from Disc 1 for Discs 1 and 2 which share a case and the same using the ID from Disc 3 for Discs 3 and 4 which share a case. That's just a solution I've used for myself. There must be other exceptions like this.  | | | ...James
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Also, is there ever a reason to have any more than one disc listing in a disc id based profile? I have a three disc box set with no UPC, so I used the disc ID of the first disc to make the set. It's a mail-away, so I don't think it's something you'll see often. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Also, is there ever a reason to have any more than one disc listing in a disc id based profile? When you have no UPC for a set of more than one disc. In that case it should be okay to use the Disc-ID of the first disc. That shouldn't interfere with a "first disc-id must match profile-id" automatism. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
It looks like the majority prefer that, for Disc ID based profiles, the disc ID listed in the discs section should be required to match.
Rather than just make a ruling, I would prefer to adjust the contribution acceptance system to mandate that (if present) the disc ID of the first listed disc on a disc ID based profile must match. If there are no objections, that's the route I'll take. That sounds good to me Ken! Quote:
Can anyone think of a case that this would cause problems? Also, is there ever a reason to have any more than one disc listing in a disc id based profile? I can't forsee any real problems. An example of a Disc ID based profile using more than one disc in the main listing could be what Danae Cassandra listed above: a "TV Show" Box Set or TV Mini-series set with no UPC code, but I would guess those are quite rare examples. I can't recall ever coming across anything like that... | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | It sounds like there are enough exceptions that mandating a single disc entry per disc id profile would be problematic. I will however implement the following:
For disc-id based profiles, if there is an entry in the discs section, the disc id of the first entry must match the id of the profile. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Also, is there ever a reason to have any more than one disc listing in a disc id based profile? I have one, yes. It's a John Hughes box set, with 'Weird Science', 'Sixteen Candles' and 'The Breakfast Club', but it's actually the "2 Disc Special Edition" of 'The Breakfast Club'. Now, the rules say: "If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set." As such, I'm not allowed to create a separate profile for the bonus disc for 'The Breakfast Club' included in this set: the rules tell me to add the information to the individual film's profile. Since the three films in this set aren't individually packaged and therefore don't have EAN's/UPC's, this results in a disc-ID-based profile which has two disc ID's in it: one for the main feature disc, and one for it's bonus material. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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Also, is there ever a reason to have any more than one disc listing in a disc id based profile?
I have one, yes. It's a John Hughes box set, with 'Weird Science', 'Sixteen Candles' and 'The Breakfast Club', but it's actually the "2 Disc Special Edition" of 'The Breakfast Club'. Now, the rules say:
"If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set."
As such, I'm not allowed to create a separate profile for the bonus disc for 'The Breakfast Club' included in this set: the rules tell me to add the information to the individual film's profile. Since the three films in this set aren't individually packaged and therefore don't have EAN's/UPC's, this results in a disc-ID-based profile which has two disc ID's in it: one for the main feature disc, and one for it's bonus material. You're right. I can also think of at least one Blu-ray Box Set where that would be the same type of problem. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Parts 1 and 2: 2-Movie Ultimate Edition (883929-263387). The Box Set has a UPC, but the two films within do not. There is a "bonus disc" included for each film, and those are currently added to the Disc ID based profiles for each film. I might also mention that specific Box Set had another major Disc ID based profile issue that was mentioned in the previous thread about this subject. | | | | Corey | | | | Last edited: by Katatonia |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
It sounds like there are enough exceptions that mandating a single disc entry per disc id profile would be problematic. I will however implement the following:
For disc-id based profiles, if there is an entry in the discs section, the disc id of the first entry must match the id of the profile. Thank you. | | | ...James
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Also, is there ever a reason to have any more than one disc listing in a disc id based profile? Any release with no UPC/EAN but with a regular bonus disc. But I see you already covered that with your decision. Of course they would be labeled as "Bonus Materials" instead of "Main Feature" so you could just look for "Main Feature". Except someone is probably using them for TV series so we can't trust the labels only... | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | Had a similar question... I have an alternate Disc ID of UK BD Boxset: Fast & Furious: The Complete Collection 5-050582-857238
The Disc ID for Child profile Tha Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift does not match mine:
My Disc ID: A6CA-AD73-7983-EDF4
Current Disc ID: 8FCC-0311-460E-D377
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
I submitted a contribution for a new one, but my question is how should I handle the parent? Should I leave it be? Or should I contribute the new one? I always leave the parent be. It already contains the earliest, original information. I just change my local parent and leave it at that. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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