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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 824 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rizor: Quote: I've started seeing this recently in contributions too. Not sure what to think. Blu-rays aren't anamorphic, so it's obviously referring to the DVD copy. I'd rather it not say anamorphic myself. Not sure what this means. I use an external scaler and it needs to be set to anamorphic for all Blu-Ray's so far. So based on that I'd say all Blu-Rays are anamorphic. | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,550 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote: Quoting Rizor:
Quote: I've started seeing this recently in contributions too. Not sure what to think. Blu-rays aren't anamorphic, so it's obviously referring to the DVD copy. I'd rather it not say anamorphic myself.
Not sure what this means. I use an external scaler and it needs to be set to anamorphic for all Blu-Ray's so far. So based on that I'd say all Blu-Rays are anamorphic. No they're not. All Blu-rays are set at 1920x1080 pixels and no scaling is involved. | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote:
No they're not. All Blu-rays are set at 1920x1080 pixels and no scaling is involved. Is SD content on Blu-ray actually encoded in 1920x1080 or is it scaled up by the player? Still, even if it is scaled up from anamorphic SD, it's only used for bonus materials and should not mark the profile as anamorphic. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,621 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: Quoting The Movieman:
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No they're not. All Blu-rays are set at 1920x1080 pixels and no scaling is involved.
Is SD content on Blu-ray actually encoded in 1920x1080 or is it scaled up by the player?
Still, even if it is scaled up from anamorphic SD, it's only used for bonus materials and should not mark the profile as anamorphic. I think it can go either way, which is why some SD content is anamorphic, some looks swished because it isn't, and sometimes it's windowboxed. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 554 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: Quoting The Movieman:
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No they're not. All Blu-rays are set at 1920x1080 pixels and no scaling is involved.
Is SD content on Blu-ray actually encoded in 1920x1080 or is it scaled up by the player?
Still, even if it is scaled up from anamorphic SD, it's only used for bonus materials and should not mark the profile as anamorphic. SD content is encoded at the usual 720x480p for NTSC or 720x576p for PAL. Just like DVDs, it can be anamorphic widescreen, letterboxed widescreen, or just regular 4x3 depending on the source. The SD material is scaled by the player. Some Blu-rays (for example, everything by Criterion) feature upscaled versions of older SD extras in 1080i. I agree that because anamorphic only applies to SD material, it shouldn't be checked off for Blu-ray profiles since the main feature would be in HD. | | | My DVD/Blu-ray Collection My Letterboxd Page |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | I say tick. If I generate a list of all non-anamorphic DVDs, it shouldn't include releases anamophic combo packs. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: I say tick. If I generate a list of all non-anamorphic DVDs, it shouldn't include releases anamophic combo packs. IMO that isn't a good reason to tick it, you can also include DVD only in your query if you don't want blu-rays included. | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 485 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting The Movieman: Quote: Ah, you are correct and found it at the bottom of the page:
Quote: Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.
http://www.invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=boxsets This is exactly the problem. The addition of a child DVD profile (where the anamorphic attribute should reside) is OPTIONAL, because the rule says you can --but not MUST-- add the child. Whether you do or don't, and a lot of combo profiles do not have such a child profile, the characteristics of the DVD,are choosable attributes. Hence NTSC/PAL and anamorphic can be ticked. And a lot of contributors tick these boxes. Of course this facilitation of the program contradicts the rule part that says the profile should reflect the main media type (and we all consider the BR media to be the main media above DVD), but... this is how these data attributes creep into the database. Something to correct for 3.8.3 or 3.9 (or will the next be the illusive 4.0 )? As for Ace's filtering remark: first exclude all BR's and HD-DVD's (tick boxes empty white) and use AND for the non-anamorphic selection... | | | Eric
If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. | | | Last edited: by eommen |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: I say tick. If I generate a list of all non-anamorphic DVDs, it shouldn't include releases anamophic combo packs. You are free to do so locally, and since reports are generated based upon local data... | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I am seeing contributions changing the is removing the Anamorphic tick box on the parent profiles siting this thread as one to do so.
But, when I read this thread I don't see that this issue is clear.
It is my understanding the the parent needs to contain all the data because child profiles are optional. So, I will be voting "no" on the removal of Anamorphic data from the parent.
If this is incorrect - please post rationale that will show me that my understanding is not correct. |
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Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,870 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: I am seeing contributions changing the is removing the Anamorphic tick box on the parent profiles siting this thread as one to do so.
But, when I read this thread I don't see that this issue is clear.
It is my understanding the the parent needs to contain all the data because child profiles are optional. So, I will be voting "no" on the removal of Anamorphic data from the parent.
If this is incorrect - please post rationale that will show me that my understanding is not correct. On the first page http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=649083&PageNum=1&messageID=2002121#M2002121 Although it could be more specific it is clear on BD/DVD combo's that the parent profile is the HD content and since Blu-ray is not anamorphic. We don't merge audio for the DVD, why would we do the video format |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 485 |
| Posted: | | | | double | | | Eric
If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. | | | Last edited: by eommen |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 485 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: I am seeing contributions changing the is removing the Anamorphic tick box on the parent profiles siting this thread as one to do so.
But, when I read this thread I don't see that this issue is clear.
It is my understanding the the parent needs to contain all the data because child profiles are optional. So, I will be voting "no" on the removal of Anamorphic data from the parent.
If this is incorrect - please post rationale that will show me that my understanding is not correct. Sorry Kathy, your reasoning is incorrect . So you can vote "yes" to removal of the anamorphic check. Firstly, because the rules say the MAIN media type disc prevails, which is always the BluRay disc in a combo. And BluRay movies aren't anamorphic. As scooter says, we are not merging from secondary media types. Secondly, the Bluray/DVD combo's were presented as a marketing ploy. Initially for DVD owners so when they would buy a BluRay player they'd already had upgraded to the best disc for the feature movie. Later on it was presented as a solution for secondary displays (think the PC laptop, the DVD screens for the kids in the back of the car) that did not have a BluRay player. Either way, it is obvious that the BR disk is the main media disc in the combo package. Finally, compare it with BluRay3D/BluRay(/DVD) combo packages. The content of the BluRay 3D disk prevails, even when the also present '2D' BluRay contains more audio tracks, subtitles and/or bonus material. Though adding a child profile is (to date) not mandatory, the child profile for the secondary disk(s) can be correct in any additional features/tracks/subtitles/[NTSC/PAL]/anamorphic etc. | | | Eric
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: It is my understanding the the parent needs to contain all the data because child profiles are optional. So, I will be voting "no" on the removal of Anamorphic data from the parent. This is only true for TV Series Box Sets. For combo packs, the rule is a tad different: Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile.As the HD media is not anamorphic, we don't tick the box. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | What has been said and it is perfectly clear. Doing it under box or tv rules makes no logical sense. That is why I told ace he is free to do what he wishes...locally. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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