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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wait a minute here. The rules state to use the CLT for any credited as entries. The CLT indicates that Thomas Burman is the common name. You suspected this was incorrect and started a thread to determine the 'true' common name. That hasn't been established sufficiently in this thread yet. Therefore, as far as I am concerned, the current base CLT result are correct. Until this thread conclusively results in Thomas R. Burman being the common name it seems like you are simply twisting results to suit your preferences.  Don't get me wrong...I sincerely hope that Thomas R. is the correct name as it will save a lot of time/energy changing all the current profiles. However, I don't agree with jumping to that conclusion without gathering all the supporting evidence together. Just because the CLT shows Thomas R. as having more profile that doesn't mean they're all correct. Maybe I'm wrong, but I though the purpose of these threads was to determine a common name so that in future contributions we can refer to this thread. Currently I'd rather refer to a fart in the wind - it's just as relevant and accurate. | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,774 |
| | Posted: | | | | I could also check "Grey's Anatomy" Season 1-4, but unfortunately not before the weekend. |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Wait a minute here.
The rules state to use the CLT for any credited as entries.
The CLT indicates that Thomas Burman is the common name. You suspected this was incorrect and started a thread to determine the 'true' common name.
That hasn't been established sufficiently in this thread yet. I feel that it is established sufficiently in this thread. Of course, we could use one or two more confirmed titles, but the results as of yet give me no reason whatsoever to remove existing Thomas R. Burman common names. Let's not forget that's what's happening here, right? It's not that I am trying to change an existing entry based on the findings of this thread - it's you who was trying to do that. You're the one who was jumping the gun, not me. You conveniently forgot to mention that. Quote:
Therefore, as far as I am concerned, the current base CLT result are correct. Until this thread conclusively results in Thomas R. Burman being the common name it seems like you are simply twisting results to suit your preferences. And as far as I am concerned, the current findings from this thread are correct. I'm not twisting anything - instead I've done quite a bit of work to present the actual balance between the name variants as accurate and as transparent as possible - much clearer than the CLT could ever do. As for my preference: I would only prefer not to ping-pong this man's entries in my database to an obviously incorrect common name that we'll going to have to change right back next week. That's all. Quote:
Don't get me wrong...I sincerely hope that Thomas R. is the correct name as it will save a lot of time/energy changing all the current profiles. There's the key: you actually hope and expect that Thomas R. Burman is indeed the common name. Why then would you still submit a contribution *removing* that common name, while this thread shows absolutely no support for that whatsoever? Quote:
However, I don't agree with jumping to that conclusion without gathering all the supporting evidence together. By trying to remove that common name from a profile, you have jumped to conclusions, again without there being any support for that whatsoever. Again: that was you jumping to conclusions, you that were confident that the current findings were firm enough to warrant a change, not me. Quote:
Just because the CLT shows Thomas R. as having more profile that doesn't mean they're all correct. It doesn't. That's exactly why we're doing these threads. Quote:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I though the purpose of these threads was to determine a common name so that in future contributions we can refer to this thread. It is. By all means, feel free to refer to this thread as much as you want. No need to thank me. Quote:
Currently I'd rather refer to a fart in the wind - it's just as relevant and accurate. I truly suspect that you're smarter than this comment makes it seem... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,551 |
| | Posted: | | | | Heaven's Gate: Tom Burman - SFX Makeup By | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tom Burman - Dead Again |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tom Burman - The Island of Dr. Moreau (1977) |
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| Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,551 |
| | Posted: | | | | Meet the Hollowheads: Tom Burman as Crazy Man
Inhabited: Tom Burman - Special Make-Up Effects Created By
Mother Lode: Tom Burman - Special Makeup Effects | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! | | | | Last edited: by huskersports |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm trying to establish the common name for special effects make-up artist Thomas/Tom (R.) Burman. The raw CLT numbers for the two most common name variants are awfully close together (currently 60 vs. 58 titles) and are thrown off by the CLT's inability to deal with TV child profiles. Links:
- http://www.burmanstudio.com/pages/frame.html
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0122207/
THOMAS R. BURMAN (31 titles, 29 confirmed):
- The Beast Within
- Body Snatchers (confirmed by ateo357)
- The Bodyguard (confirmed by Pantheon)
- The Bonfire of the Vanities (confirmed by huskersports)
- City of Angels (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Con Air (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Delirious (confirmed by T!M)
- Die Hard 2 (confirmed by T!M)
- Drowning Mona (confirmed by T!M)
- The Goonies (confirmed by T!M)
- Grand Canyon (confirmed by T!M)
- Hudson Hawk (confirmed by T!M)
- Invasion: The Complete Series
- Men of Honor (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Monk: Season Two (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete First Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Second Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Third Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fifth Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Sixth Season (confirmed by T!M)
- The Prophecy (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- The Rage: Carrie 2 (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Robin Hood: Men in Tights (confirmed by SpaceFreakMicha)
- Scrooged (confirmed by T!M)
- Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone (confirmed by T!M)
- Star Kid (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Tales from the Crypt: The Complete First Season (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Tomcats (confirmed by T!M)
- Touched By an Angel: The Third Season (confirmed by huskersports)
- Wayne's World (confirmed by T!M)
TOM BURMAN (27 titles, 23 confirmed):
- Body Double (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Cat People (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: The Complete First Season (confirmed by SpaceFreakMicha)
- Dead Again (confirmed by Wigram)
- Firestarter 2: Rekindled (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Frogs (confirmed by ateo357)
- Genesis II
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 2 (confirmed by huskersports)
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 3 (confirmed by huskersports)
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 4 (confirmed by huskersports)
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 5 (confirmed by huskersports)
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 6 (confirmed by huskersports)
- Halloween III: Season of the Witch (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Heaven's Gate (confirmed by huskersports)
- Howard the Duck (confirmed by ateo357)
- Inhabited (confirmed by huskersports)
- The Island of Dr. Moreau (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Meet the Hollowheads (confirmed by huskersports)
- Mother Lode (confirmed by huskersports)
- My Bloody Valentine (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Private Practice: The Complete First Season
- Private Practice: The Complete Second Season
- Private Practice: The Complete Third Season
- Teen Wolf (confirmed by T!M)
- Throw Momma from the Train (confirmed by ateo357)
- The Unseen (confirmed by huskersports)
- The X-Files: The Complete Sixth Season (confirmed by huskersports)
THOMAS BURMAN (4 titles, 4 confirmed):
- Invasion of the Body Snatchers (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Kung Fu: The Complete First Season (confirmed by bbbbb)
- Last Action Hero (confirmed by T!M)
- Rocket Man (confirmed by ateo357)
That means Thomas R. Burman is the common name. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,551 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Unseen: Tom Burman - Based on a story by | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
Quote:
Wait a minute here.
The rules state to use the CLT for any credited as entries.
The CLT indicates that Thomas Burman is the common name. You suspected this was incorrect and started a thread to determine the 'true' common name.
That hasn't been established sufficiently in this thread yet.
I feel that it is established sufficiently in this thread. Of course, we could use one or two more confirmed titles, but the results as of yet give me no reason whatsoever to remove existing Thomas R. Burman common names. Let's not forget that's what's happening here, right? It's not that I am trying to change an existing entry based on the findings of this thread - it's you who was trying to do that. You're the one who was jumping the gun, not me. You conveniently forgot to mention that.
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Therefore, as far as I am concerned, the current base CLT result are correct. Until this thread conclusively results in Thomas R. Burman being the common name it seems like you are simply twisting results to suit your preferences.
And as far as I am concerned, the current findings from this thread are correct. I'm not twisting anything - instead I've done quite a bit of work to present the actual balance between the name variants as accurate and as transparent as possible - much clearer than the CLT could ever do. As for my preference: I would only prefer not to ping-pong this man's entries in my database to an obviously incorrect common name that we'll going to have to change right back next week. That's all.
Quote:
Don't get me wrong...I sincerely hope that Thomas R. is the correct name as it will save a lot of time/energy changing all the current profiles.
There's the key: you actually hope and expect that Thomas R. Burman is indeed the common name. Why then would you still submit a contribution *removing* that common name, while this thread shows absolutely no support for that whatsoever?
Quote:
However, I don't agree with jumping to that conclusion without gathering all the supporting evidence together.
By trying to remove that common name from a profile, you have jumped to conclusions, again without there being any support for that whatsoever. Again: that was you jumping to conclusions, you that were confident that the current findings were firm enough to warrant a change, not me.
Quote:
Just because the CLT shows Thomas R. as having more profile that doesn't mean they're all correct.
It doesn't. That's exactly why we're doing these threads.
Quote:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I though the purpose of these threads was to determine a common name so that in future contributions we can refer to this thread.
It is. By all means, feel free to refer to this thread as much as you want. No need to thank me.
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Currently I'd rather refer to a fart in the wind - it's just as relevant and accurate.
I truly suspect that you're smarter than this comment makes it seem... Nice. As for the profile I attempted to change - as you well know that was submitted prior to you starting this thread and was based solely on the results of the CLT. You voted NO - BEFORE this thread reached any conclusion. I have not resubmitted that profile - why would I? It's probably an incorrect change. However, I will once again point out that my contribution was based on the base results of the CLT. Exactly what the contribution rules states we should do. Lastly. Even now you state this thread is conclusive; but it's not. If the 2 titles left for Thomas R. Burman turn out to be Tom Burman then we get a 30/29 split in favour of Tom Burman (assuming all of his are confirmed as being correct). It is for this reason only that I object to you declaring this thread as a conclusive source of the common name. Do I think the above is going to happen? No, of course I don't. But, that doesn't mean I'm willing to simply say Thomas R. Burman is the common name because you tell me it is. | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
I have not resubmitted that profile - why would I? It's probably an incorrect change. There we are: that's all there is to it. I happen to prefer correct changes over incorrect changes. Is that so terrible?  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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I have not resubmitted that profile - why would I? It's probably an incorrect change.
There we are: that's all there is to it. I happen to prefer correct changes over incorrect changes. Is that so terrible? As I have clearly stated - but maybe you haven't understood - I will happily use the correct common name once it has definitively been established. It's really not that hard to understand is it? | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
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| Registered: September 29, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,551 |
| | Posted: | | | | No credits in Grey's Anatomy: Season 1
Grey's Anatomy: Season 2 - Tom Burman Special Makeup Effects
Grey's Anatomy: Season 3 - Tom Burman Special Makeup Effects
Grey's Anatomy: Season 4 - Tom Burman Special Makeup Effects
Grey's Anatomy: Season 5 - Tom Burman Special Makeup Effects
Grey's Anatomy: Season 6 - Tom Burman Special Makeup Effects
No one has entered the info for Season 7 yet. | | | My one wish for the DVD Profiler online database: Ban or remove the disc-level profiles of TV season sets. It completely screws up/inflates the CLT.
FACT: Imdb is WRONG 70% of the time! Misspelled cast, incomplete cast, wrong cast/crew roles. So for those who want DVD Profiler to be "as perfect as Imdb", good luck with that.
Stop adding UNIT crew! They're invalid credits. Stop it! |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Invasion: S1: ep08 - Thomas R. Burman - special effects make-up
now the Common name is Thomas R. Burman, with the 5 unverified left the the most it could be is 30/28 | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Invasion: S1: ep08 - Thomas R. Burman - special effects make-up
now the Common name is Thomas R. Burman, with the 5 unverified left the the most it could be is 30/28 Agreed & thank you! |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wanted to establish the common name for special effects make-up artist Thomas/Tom (R.) Burman. The raw CLT numbers for the two most common name variants are awfully close together (currently 60 vs. 58 titles) and are thrown off by the CLT's inability to deal with TV child profiles. Links:
- http://www.burmanstudio.com/pages/frame.html
- http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0122207/
THOMAS R. BURMAN (31 titles, 30 confirmed):
- The Beast Within
- Body Snatchers (confirmed by ateo357)
- The Bodyguard (confirmed by Pantheon)
- The Bonfire of the Vanities (confirmed by huskersports)
- City of Angels (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Con Air (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Delirious (confirmed by T!M)
- Die Hard 2 (confirmed by T!M)
- Drowning Mona (confirmed by T!M)
- The Goonies (confirmed by T!M)
- Grand Canyon (confirmed by T!M)
- Hudson Hawk (confirmed by T!M)
- Invasion: The Complete Series (confirmed by ateo357)
- Men of Honor (confirmed by Lewis_Prothero)
- Monk: Season Two (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete First Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Second Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Third Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fifth Season (confirmed by T!M)
- Nip/Tuck: The Complete Sixth Season (confirmed by T!M)
- The Prophecy (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- The Rage: Carrie 2 (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Robin Hood: Men in Tights (confirmed by SpaceFreakMicha)
- Scrooged (confirmed by T!M)
- Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone (confirmed by T!M)
- Star Kid (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Tales from the Crypt: The Complete First Season (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Tomcats (confirmed by T!M)
- Touched By an Angel: The Third Season (confirmed by huskersports)
- Wayne's World (confirmed by T!M)
TOM BURMAN (27 titles, 23 confirmed):
- Body Double (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Cat People (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: The Complete First Season (confirmed by SpaceFreakMicha)
- Dead Again (confirmed by Wigram)
- Firestarter 2: Rekindled (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Frogs (confirmed by ateo357)
- Genesis II
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 2 (confirmed by huskersports)
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 3 (confirmed by huskersports)
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 4 (confirmed by huskersports)
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 5 (confirmed by huskersports)
- Grey's Anatomy: Season 6 (confirmed by huskersports)
- Halloween III: Season of the Witch (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Heaven's Gate (confirmed by huskersports)
- Howard the Duck (confirmed by ateo357)
- Inhabited (confirmed by huskersports)
- The Island of Dr. Moreau (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Meet the Hollowheads (confirmed by huskersports)
- Mother Lode (confirmed by huskersports)
- My Bloody Valentine (confirmed by bigdaddyhorse)
- Private Practice: The Complete First Season
- Private Practice: The Complete Second Season
- Private Practice: The Complete Third Season
- Teen Wolf (confirmed by T!M)
- Throw Momma from the Train (confirmed by ateo357)
- The Unseen (confirmed by huskersports)
- The X-Files: The Complete Sixth Season (confirmed by huskersports)
THOMAS BURMAN (4 titles, 4 confirmed):
- Invasion of the Body Snatchers (confirmed by Pantheon)
- Kung Fu: The Complete First Season (confirmed by bbbbb)
- Last Action Hero (confirmed by T!M)
- Rocket Man (confirmed by ateo357)
That means Thomas R. Burman is the common name. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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