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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Martian
The implications you got correctly as is your answer | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
If I understand you correctly, there are two audio tracks for each episode, both English, with the only difference being one has a laugh track and the other doesn't. You understand correctly. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Martian
The implications you got correctly as is your answer Then what's the issue? He seems to agree with me on this. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | What makes me sad is that every contribution ace made in this round is wrong and they should bebeithdrawn. There is only one that might be right butbhe has to review previous contribution notes to know.l and he hasn't | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
What makes me sad is that every contribution ace made in this round is wrong and they should bebeithdrawn. There is only one that might be right butbhe has to review previous contribution notes to know.l and he hasn't If you want to bring this all to the forums, fine. Here is a list of the recent contributions and Skip's votes. He voted no on The Omega Man where I changed other to Spanish because the track was Castellano. I explained in my notes that this is the main dialect of Spanish spoken in Spain. He said: Quote:
castellano is still unlisted therefore other is cprrect, ehat change in overview On Control Room, there is an English track and three commentaries. One of the commentaires was listed as other, so I changed it to commentary. He said Quote:
perhaps a reading of prior contribution notes might reveal answer, this is in yhe rules. as opposed yo nlindly changing data. I did check the contribution notes before contributing. This is isn't mentioned anywhere and is apparently left over from the initial contribution, which was by Skip. I have no idea what he's talking about. I removed an other track from Titanic (1953) and said in my notes that there were only five audio tracks present. (There were six listed, including the other track.) I wasn't sure why that track had been listed. Quote:
if mot sue dont remove dsta, syggezt reviewing previous notes perhaps even intervocative I did review notes. The reason wasn't listed.The old Intervocative site doesn't seem to be available and now redirects to Invelos. None of these votes have any information about why my submission is wrong. All of them are the only no vote. Who is that user who is always advocating that people who make bad votes should have their voting rights revoked? I'm struggling to remember his name. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
I have explained it here ace. While other is not the best it I'd the correct choice. What you are doing is setting up two tracks of the same language which are undifferentiated. The difference being one is a laugh track, even called an optional laugh track by fox. You did the same sort of thing with castellano. And I won't even go into the things that were undocd, with your comment such as I font know it is this but I am changing it. That's just nonsense. Did itbrver occur to you yo read the previous contribution and seebifvan explanation can be found, the rules tell you to do judtvthat anrvyou might havevto go back intervocative notes. Nut you don't justbmake a change claiming you font know why it is but... And I have explained that entering both tracks as English is both the more sensible option and the way precedent is leaning. You haven't addressed this. For clarification: When I make a change and say I don't know why it was entered the original way, what I mean is that the reason isn't obvious and isn't documented anywhere that I can find. Arguing that people have to know why apparently wrong data was entered before they can change isn't reasonable as there is no good way to determine why it was entered in the majority of cases. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
And I have explained that entering both tracks as English is both the more sensible option and the way precedent is leaning. Assuming I am reading this all correctly, this really doesn't matter. Here we have a line from the show, one with and one without the laugh track: Hawkeye: "The way I see it, the army owes us so many coffee breaks, we should get 1954 off." (audience laughs) Hawkeye: "The way I see it, the army owes us so many coffee breaks, we should get 1954 off." (no laughs) So, if that is the only difference, then the rules seem to be quite clear on the matter, we have to enter the content type...which in this case is English, not other. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
So, if that is the only difference, then the rules seem to be quite clear on the matter, we have to enter the content type...which in this case is English, not other. The rules don't seem to actually clearly say this. All they have to say on the issue is: Quote:
Select the appropriate content type and format type for each track. The other audio rules don't seem to be relevant. I think common sense and precedent both tell us that the appropriate option is English, but the rules don't directly address this. Perhaps the idea that appropriate means the main language of the track was a bit too obvious for almost everyone to bother listing. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is related to the issue from this thread, though I think this case is pretty cut-and-dry as laugh tracks aren't anything especially novel, especially in this case, where that's how the show aired, whereas those are a bit more questionable. | | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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So, if that is the only difference, then the rules seem to be quite clear on the matter, we have to enter the content type...which in this case is English, not other.
The rules don't seem to actually clearly say this. All they have to say on the issue is:
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Select the appropriate content type and format type for each track.
The other audio rules don't seem to be relevant. I think common sense and precedent both tell us that the appropriate option is English, but the rules don't directly address this. Perhaps the idea that appropriate means the main language of the track was a bit too obvious for almost everyone to bother listing. It says to pick the appropriate content type. The choices are a language, Audio Descriptive, Commentary or Other. The only time we should use 'other' is if it doesn't fit one of the other three options. Why would we do anything other than that?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Assuming I am reading this all correctly, this really doesn't matter. Here we have a line from the show, one with and one without the laugh track:
Hawkeye: "The way I see it, the army owes us so many coffee breaks, we should get 1954 off." (audience laughs)
Hawkeye: "The way I see it, the army owes us so many coffee breaks, we should get 1954 off." (no laughs)
So, if that is the only difference, then the rules seem to be quite clear on the matter, we have to enter the content type...which in this case is English, not other. This. Clearly if both are English that is the deciding factor. Both tracks are English. The incidentals of the tracks shouldn't change this. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
It says to pick the appropriate content type. The choices are a language, Audio Descriptive, Commentary or Other. The only time we should use 'other' is if it doesn't fit one of the other three options. Why would we do anything other than that? Skip's argument seems to be that the presence of a laugh track means that it isn't just English, it's English + laughter. I could see this argument if the format was something novel, like Monty Python's the Meaning of Life track which is English + a man watching the movie at home and muttering to himself or the Rocky Horror Picture Show track that's English + audience participation or the track on Machete which is English + audience reaction, but I don't think makes sense here because a laugh track is part of the standard presentation of the show. I do think the rules need to be clarified on this subject, but this isn't one of the gray-area cases. P.S. to Skip, I just explained your position, which I don't agree with, way better than you did. This thread would have gone differently had you made an argument like this in the OP instead of personal attacks. |
| | Registered: September 30, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,805 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting Winston Smith:
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if mot sue dont remove dsta, syggezt reviewing previous notes perhaps even intervocative
I did review notes.  I'm surprised you were able to make heads or tails of that vote. | | | | The night is calling. And it whispers to me soflty come and play. |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
You had best watch your keyboard Kathy. Or what, Skip? I don't see anything wrong with how Ace explained his change. Makes sense according to the guidelines. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ace:
Exactly where in your notes did you indicate you had looked at previous notes, your notes in fact seemed to indicate exactly the opposite. Which was why you got voted NO.
Yes you are trying to impose what you want the data to be. You ate not showing any thought for any other user. Let's. Just look St mash though the omega man is essentially the same thing. What for you want to communicate to other users, that there are two English tracks that have no differentiation between them. That tells other users nothing. Granted other is not a perfect choice but it at least serves as a flag to other users that it is not an ordinary audio track or audio descriptive. So you are incorrect in all of those contributions and omega man as well. I hope ken will ignore everything and simply decline your attempt to change data which is already correct. Not much difference here between these and your attempt yo change genre data which was correct for St IV into what you wanted it to be. Sport guy, that's how I see what you are trying to do, and it only serves toconfuse other users. Even fox calls it an optional laugh track, not even an optional English laugh track. Other is the correct entry and is what it says in the existing profile. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Alien
We don't have guidelines. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
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