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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | But the rules do not tell us to use the spine. The rules do tell us yo use the credit block in some instances. Not this one however. Pete had it rightn | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,851 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
So with that thinking the title for The Midnight Horror Collection (Also has 8 ovie Pack) on the cover along with the movie titles. so the title of this DVD would be The Legend of Sorrow Creek / Prom Night / Below / I Am Omega / Evil Bong / Meridian / Dwemonic Toys / Decadent Evil edition: The Midnight Horror Collection: 8 Movie Pack.  It's a mess, isn't it? I'm glad I don't have stuff like this in my collection.  --------------- |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would completely disregard the rules and make my own parent and children as I have with others similar to this. When I look up a movie in the DB, I only want stuff pertaining to that movie, so I don't have to sort it out. All my horror legacy collections are done this way and it's not as hard as I thought it would be, they of course are locked down. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am in the midst of breaking this up into a box set with manual profiles myself. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I see 3 possible correct (per rules) titles... which needs to be used for the online database?
Title: The Midnight Horror Collection
Edition:
Title: The Midnight Horror Collection: Killjoy / Killjoy 2 / Killjoy 3
Edition:
Title: Killjoy / Killjoy 2 / Killjoy 3
Edition: The Midnight Horror Collection
This is a perfect example of how "rules" can not address every issue. If all 3 examples follow the rules than any of them would be correct. Personally, I would contribute it the bigdaddyhorse way. At home I keep my DVDs alphabetized and would put this under "K" since all the movies are Killjoy... except box sets that contain a bunch of different titles, then they get their own section so I can find them. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | This reminds me of some of the crap that we used to see pre-rules. Put yourself in the shoes of another user maybe a year from now who just got the title. What is he going to look for. Likely he will look for killjoy and following bigdadfy's reasonable idea, he won't fond it. We used to have.users who would want to manipulate the online for themselves and they might want all their bond together. So they would make the titles maybe James bond 001, 002, etc. Now you get a bond title are you going to look for James bond 004 or are you going to look for thunderball. You're going to look under the TS and be frustrated when you dont find it. That user got what he wanted and made everything more difficult for everyone else. His thought of wanting all one group of films together was reasonable, nut it was also selfish. So again I say Pete. Had it right.
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CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was looking through my collection and there is not a clear answer to this problem.
I will include the UPC so you can see what the cover scans look like. The cover's all vary in the size and placement of "Masters of Horror", movie title etc.
Of the Masters of Horror DVD box sets ones I own not one has the movie title first. They are listed as:
- UPC 013131446098: Title: Masters of Horror: Don Coscarelli: Incident On and Off a Mountain Road
Edition:
- UPC 013131446494: Title: Masters of Horror: Tobe Hooper: Dance of the Dead
Edition:
- UPC 013131449594: Title: Masters of Horror: Incident On and Off A Mountain Road, Chocolate
Edition:
Masters of Horror: Season One and Masters of Horror Season Two. Every one of the the child profiles in these box sets lists them as:
- UPC 013131486490 Title: Masters of Horror: Name of Movie
Edition:
- 013138995780 Title: Masters of Horror: Name of Movie
Edition:
The Master of Horror DVDs that are single films are also listed the same:
- UPC 013138990389: Title: Masters of Horror: Right to Die
Edition:
- UPC 013138990983: Title: Masters Of Horror: The Washingtonians
Edition:
I also found single DVDs listed as:
- UPC 013131106893: Title: Inferno
Edition: Dario Argento Collection
So, after a quick look, it these types of movies are all over the place as far as the database is concerned. |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah, I'm keeping hese locked local too so I can call them whatever I want. Just remembered I have the Puppet Master set as well, and that I put under P in 'sort title' although the cover and title on profiler reads: The Midnight Horror Collection: Puppet Master. I'd rather see Midnight Horror Collection as an edtion also, but hate those super long titles linking 6-10 films. I'd rather go with "Road Trip to Hell" and then get the solo release profiles for the movies in the sets (which I do), but also want to know whatt he right to do is in case I get a new one and want to create a real profile for it, even if I won't use that profile myself. It helps the database keep more correct stats. To comabt what Winston said about not being able to find titles, expand the search function to include editions and/or sort titles (if even possible, I know nothing about programming). Or just try everything you see on the cover until it comes up.  |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | When dealing with dicey situations, it's best to remember the purposes of the fields. The edition field is to distinguish different releases of essentially the same content. Other Midnight Horror Collection releases are different movies, so the name of the movies is not the edition. I can see arguments for making "Midnight Horror Collection" the edition or part of the title, but there's no way that Killjoy should be an edition label. |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Title: Killjoy / Killjoy 2 / Killjoy 3
Edition: The Midnight Horror Collection Another vote for this one. ... But from other threads, with similar I don't think you'll get a majority for one or another possibility. (Btw, it's not that I don't understand the resons for different votes) For me it is like this example in the rules (bolded by me): Quote:
The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections (for example The Criterion Collection, Widescreen, Full-Screen Edition, Director's Cut). |
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| Registered: December 22, 2008 |  Posts: 87 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I was looking through my collection and there is not a clear answer to this problem.
I will include the UPC so you can see what the cover scans look like. The cover's all vary in the size and placement of "Masters of Horror", movie title etc.
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I also found single DVDs listed as:
- UPC 013131106893: Title: Inferno
Edition: Dario Argento Collection
A small inconsistency I'd like to point out. "Masters of Horror" was an anthology TV series on Showtime, consisting of two seasons with 13 episodes each. IDT (aka Starz, aka Anchor Bay) produced the series and released it at first as single episode DVDs. "Masters of Horror" is not an edition, but the series title, so the TV series rules apply. I'm pretty sure "Series Title: Episode Title" is the correct title for a single episode DVD release. 'Inferno' on the other hand is a theatrical movie by Dario Argento. Argento has done episodes for the "Masters of Horror" TV series, but 'Inferno' is not one of them. It's basically a coincidence that Anchor Bay holds video rights for Argento's movie. On a side note: Anchor Bay buys video rights to almost every Horror production, that isn't held by an US major or Lionsgate, so you'll probably find many theatrical horror movies in AB's catalogue, that were made by one of the "Masters of Horror" directors. But those are not part of the MoH TV series. |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
When dealing with dicey situations, it's best to remember the purposes of the fields. The edition field is to distinguish different releases of essentially the same content. Other Midnight Horror Collection releases are different movies, so the name of the movies is not the edition. I can see arguments for making "Midnight Horror Collection" the edition or part of the title, but there's no way that Killjoy should be an edition label. I totally agree, except the way these covers are layed out, that is the dominate wording and hard to ignore. Although many of these films have been released before, "MHC" as an edition sounds more and more better. I still hate superlong titles linking all the films, then what title comes first? The movie first listed on front cover? The movie first listed on back cover? The movie first on disc 1? The movie in title 1 on disc 1? These are often 3 or 4 different things in the 6-8 packs! I'm gonna stay local but want to know how they should be so I can contribute ones I get if no one else does. For the Killjoy set I'm now feeling it should be: Title - Charles Bands Presents: Killjoy Edition - Midnight Horror Collection Puppetmaster should be the same except it doesn't say "Chares Band Presents" anywhere on the front, it really only says Midnight Horror Collection (besides the much smaller Puppet Master logos for each film in the mini-posters). So would that be: Title - Puppet Master Edition - Midnight Horror Collection? What was the final verdict on the Warner Brothers "4 Film Favorites" sets? Last I saw, thsoe went by "4 Film Favorites" as title with the films as an edition (unless they had a theme mentioned on front, like the Dracula set says "Draculas"). Isn't it the exact same situation we have here? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | There was no final settlement for those either. I still see them different ways online. But for that matter... I think the only one that could make a final decision in these cases is Ken.... since different people definitely see the answer differently.
I decided I am just going to do my own thing locally for titles like these and not even worry about the titles for the online. For me this one will remain...
Title: Killjoy / Killjoy 2 / Killjoy 3
Edition: The Midnight Horror Collection | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As it should be | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
As it should be No it shouldn't |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have asked the Rules Committee to look into this situation and get an official rules update or clarification.
My request for those in the community who have not requested access to this forum:
"I am submitting a request that the committee look into a situation brought up in the forums recently:
http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=600899&PageNum=1.
Since there are multiple ways that this could be contributed, while still being correct and in line with the rules, I would like the committee to discuss and formulate a standard to submit to invelos for implementation." |
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