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Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote: I'll take 99% correct. Would rather have to fix 1 or 2 things in a profile than 10-20. My thoughts exactly. The contributor has fixed much more than he has 'broke'. | | | Last edited: by samuelrichardscott |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | If it's something the contributor can easily correct and resubmit, I vote NO as a heads-up to the contributor that there's a problem. I've found PMs to be generally useless as I've had them completely ignored and unopened.
A NO vote, IMO, is nothing personal and should never be taken that way. If the contributor decides not to make the correction, fine. Once the contribution is approved I, or someone else, can make the correction and submit it. It's no big deal. | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Blair | Resistance is Futile! |
Registered: October 30, 2008 | Posts: 1,249 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I always use no votes for situations like this myself. I do this for two reasons. First because not everyone one looks at their votes if they get only yes votes. I know this for a fact as I am usually like this and others in the forum has said the same thing. Another reason is it is sure to grab the attention of not only the contributor but also the screeners. This way I am sure it is at least looked at and the screener can go from there if they feel it is trivial enough to let through anyway fine. If it is something they feel is reason enough to decline that is OK by me too. But the downside to this (for me) are the blind voters. You know, the people who vote "Yes" without looking, trusting the submission... but then you get a single "No" vote, and instead of it being 20-2 becuase another person verified which should grab your attention, it ends up 20-25 with nothing more than, "Agree with ____" as the reason. Of my few submissions, I've had two declined for reasons very similar to Sam's situation and your response which also tells me that the screeners had read the votes and likely just accepted the popular one. The acceptance process is no less confusing than the rules: new profiles riddled with errors get accepted because it's more important to have new entries in the database, but a full corrected submission except for two or three characters in the overview will likely not because "it's not correct." The value of a submission is a subjective one, though I think that the screeners choose to err on the side of caution with the assumption that if it is declined it would be resubmitted. But Sam is not the first person i have heard say, "I changed everything in my database; I'm not changing it back just to resubmit." I think that they should be accepted with a note added by the screener of what minor error was notably overlooked to allow the submissions to be accepted. | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | Last edited: by Blair |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: General question:
A complete shell profile with the bare minimum info. Someone adds EVERYTHING but spells one word incorrectly in the overview (yet the profile is otherwise perfect). Would you guys vote yes or no?
Would you prefer to have NO info, or a complete profile with one very minor mistake. I would vote "no" because I've seen people include what I believe are intentional errors knowing that a large amount of additions/corrections will allow it to pass. This is why I don't like the policy of accepting contributions just because there is "significant" new value. --------------- |
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | The acceptance process is no less confusing than the rules: new profiles riddled with errors get accepted because it's more important to have new entries in the database, but a full corrected submission except for two or three characters in the overview will likely not because "it's not correct." The value of a submission is a subjective one, though I think that the screeners choose to err on the side of caution with the assumption that if it is declined it would be resubmitted. But Sam is not the first person i have heard say, "I changed everything in my database; I'm not changing it back just to resubmit."
you see this alot with pre-release submissions and the older profiles that are updated. Alot of people don't track every crew role or group dividers or even like me add crew. But I check my submissions every time I'm on site (Usually 6 or 7 times a day) (Yes,no and PM). But after I finish the audit for my local database, lock and move it to my profiled category, If I made numerous changes I'll let it ride, pull it but it's to late for a re-submit. If I only have a few things dif. that I've added I'll remove them and re-submit. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Did some work Original: Edited (Doubled "®" and moved it vertically to the narrowest space between "w" and "d"): Would now those that voted "No" please correct their votes. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote: Would now those that voted "No" please correct their votes. To what? I can't make it more No than i already did. It's a proportional font with a space that looks smaller than it is because of the 'w'. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote: Is a PM not sufficient? Well, for me a PM is simply the wrong way[1], the comment on the vote, mandatory for "No"'s, is exactly the right place. And as Bad Father pointed out: Quote: A NO vote, IMO, is nothing personal and should never be taken that way. cya, Mithi [1] Unless of course it is such a complicated matter that the comment-field is to short, but I don't see this on "erroneous space between Acadamy-Award(R) and winner" | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,730 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
Quote: Would now those that voted "No" please correct their votes. To what? I can't make it more No than i already did.
It's a proportional font with a space that looks smaller than it is because of the 'w'. Put a measure tape onto your screen if you don't believe your eyes: The space between the "d" the ® and the "w" exactly matches the space between all the other letters in a word and is (almost) exactly one third of the space that a blank as between the "s" (from "winners") and the "K" (from "Kevin") got. So obviously no space. EDIT: At least not as long as you don't insist that there should be a blank space between every single letter of a word. "Proportional Font" | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up! But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: Quoting Lewis_Prothero:
Quote: Would now those that voted "No" please correct their votes. To what? I can't make it more No than i already did.
It's a proportional font with a space that looks smaller than it is because of the 'w'. if so then there wouldn't be any space between the d and ® because that space is greater then between the ® and w. Now if the area between the ® and w were greater then I would say yes. Lewis already beat me to it. | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Blair | Resistance is Futile! |
Registered: October 30, 2008 | Posts: 1,249 |
| Posted: | | | | That's supposed to be/represent a ®?
It looks more like a non-character spec (like the one under the "w" -- or is that a dot of an "i" instead? I don't have the cover.)
Maybe that's why they are different. Neither was meant to be a character and someone made an error not including the registration mark. | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | Last edited: by Blair |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Sam Some people can be that picky and I have no problemwith it. If I had to guess the reason behind a no vote of this type, it would likely be that the user offered no info on the double spacing, in a given overview there are lots of spaces, which ones are doubled. I didn't vote no, but I have low confidence in the users notes and perhaps another user had even less. As for pms not always possible or answered. In which case the contributor deserves what is given. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | It isn't very often that I vote "no" and I usually send the person a pm first. I can't remember a time in which a pm I sent was ignored.
If the situation was something so minor, I might even vote "yes" w/ a note highlighting the small change they might have missed. I would submit that change later if needed.
In this situation, thanks to the picture supplied by Lewis_Prothero, I would say the "no" votes are incorrect.
In any case, the only times I take a "no" voter personally is if the added comments are rude or inflammatory. Otherwise I find them to be a helpful tool in making the database more accurate. |
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Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,650 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: If the situation was something so minor, I might even vote "yes" w/ a note highlighting the small change they might have missed. I would submit that change later if needed. This is what I was doing. I also did it earlier today with the same contributor and sent him a PM also as he added a ton of great info but made a minor typo in the rating info. He said thanks and resubmitted. |
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Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | For something really icky picky like that, I would vote YES but I would mention it in my vote commentary. If there's one extra space that gets added to the overview, that doesn't weigh against all the good that is added and corrected.
So I would mention it but in a Yes vote | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
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Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't understand the reason for this thread to begin with. How is this any different than the other ones that have been brought to the forums complaining (commenting) about no votes. They almost always end in arguments and hurt feelings.
As far as no votes, it is really a matter of personal preference, how one might use them (as long as the rules are followed). I always check my votes, and personally would want a no vote if someone saw something (even "minor" problems). I will always go back and review what was stated. Will I change the contribution? That really is dependent on whether I agree with the no vote. I never have any issue with recontributing if warranted. Heck, I noticed an error on one contribution after it had been up for 4 days and 20+ yes votes, and recontributed.
I don't necessarily buy the 90% good philosophy. If a voter notices a valid error in a contribution, the contributor should pull it and correct it. If it is questionable, then leave it, the screeners will decide. After all, there isn't a prize for what we do, and should always be quality over quantity.
Either way, I don't ever take it personally.
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