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Captain America: The First Avenger (Prosthetics Designer) |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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there is no way it can be called 'a direct translation'. 
And why is that? 
The Martian feels that a "translation" requires two different languages. Of course, this subtlety is lost on most DVD Profiler users, who believe that 'a direct translation' and 'a functional equivalent' is pretty much the same thing... Not everyone uses the same terminology in the film business. That is why I thought direct translation was in the rules, To me Prosthetic Designer is a direct translation to make-up effects designer. I think it's time for a crew role overhaul in the contribution rules. |
| | Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
Quoting GreyHulk:
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I believe this is the 'prosthetics' in question.
If it's not 'Make-up Effects' maybe this is what Hugo Weaving really looks like! 
In this case the Prosthetics Designer would have been needed to accomplish this, wouldn't he? Ah, good point. So either way there was make-up effects in there somewhere.  |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Quoting Pantheon:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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there is no way it can be called 'a direct translation'.
And why is that?
The Martian feels that a "translation" requires two different languages. Of course, this subtlety is lost on most DVD Profiler users, who believe that 'a direct translation' and 'a functional equivalent' is pretty much the same thing...
Not everyone uses the same terminology in the film business. That is why I thought direct translation was in the rules, To me Prosthetic Designer is a direct translation to make-up effects designer. I think it's time for a crew role overhaul in the contribution rules. Well said, and I agree. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | After watching a few episodes of Face/Off on the Sy-Fy channel about the competition between makeup artists using makeup to create everything from aliens to people to animal/human hybrids I can clearly see that they use lots of prosthetics in changing people into these different things.
And if that isn't the very definition of makeup effects than I don't know what is.
But sadly, as far as DVD Profiler goes, since it's not listed in the rules prostheics anything can't be entered at this time.
Should it, I believe so. And thus it should be added to the rules. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The Martian feels that a "translation" requires two different languages. Please don't presume to know something you dont because you are completely wrong. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
And why is that? Because 'prosthetics' is not a direct translation of 'make-up'...I mean, they don't mean the same thing. Yes, make-up effects people can, and do, use prosthetics, but prosthetics are not always part of the make-up department. Sometimes they are part of the SFX or prop departments...making limbs to be strewn over a battlefield for example. In this case, it was a functional equivalent...meaning he did the same function. Unfortunately, it isn't always the case, so it is not a direct translation. Just my opinion, of course. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just a couple of things I found on the net:
From a free online dictionary:
pros·thet·ics
n. (used with a sing. verb)
The branch of medicine or surgery that deals with the production and application of artificial body parts.
From Websters online dictionary: Makeup Prosthetics:
Prosthetic makeup is the process of using prosthetic sculpting, molding and casting techniques to create advanced cosmetic effects. Prosthetic makeup was revolutionized by Dick Smith in such films as The Godfather, where they first used squibs to simulate gun shot wounds. It was later led by such people as Tom Savini (Friday the 13th, Dawn of the Dead, Creepshow), Rob Bottin (The Thing, Total Recall), Rick Baker (The Nutty Professor), and Stan Winston (Jurassic Park, Interview with the Vampire) |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd vote yes if this was submitted as a make-up effects. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Just a couple of things I found on the net:
From a free online dictionary:
pros·thet·ics
n. (used with a sing. verb)
The branch of medicine or surgery that deals with the production and application of artificial body parts.
From Websters online dictionary: Makeup Prosthetics:
Prosthetic makeup is the process of using prosthetic sculpting, molding and casting techniques to create advanced cosmetic effects. Prosthetic makeup was revolutionized by Dick Smith in such films as The Godfather, where they first used squibs to simulate gun shot wounds. It was later led by such people as Tom Savini (Friday the 13th, Dawn of the Dead, Creepshow), Rob Bottin (The Thing, Total Recall), Rick Baker (The Nutty Professor), and Stan Winston (Jurassic Park, Interview with the Vampire) The problem, unfortunately, is that the credit doesn't say 'Prosthetic Makeup' or 'Makeup Prosthetics'. If it did, there would be no question that it was allowed, but it doesn't. It is just a generic 'Prosthetics Designer' credit. To add to this there are, according to IMDb, two other people who are credited as 'special makeup effects artists'. As I said earlier, I do believe he should be included, I just don't see the rules allowing it, but that is just my opinion. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian:
The problem, unfortunately, is that the credit doesn't say 'Prosthetic Makeup' or 'Makeup Prosthetics'. If it did, there would be no question that it was allowed, but it doesn't. It is just a generic 'Prosthetics Designer' credit. To add to this there are, according to IMDb, two other people who are credited as 'special makeup effects artists'.
As I said earlier, I do believe he should be included, I just don't see the rules allowing it, but that is just my opinion.
Just checked the on-screen credits and found no-one credited for make-up effects.
Checked IMDB and they have David White credited as Prosthetic Makeup Designer.
and Jon Moore & Josh Weston as Special makeup effects artists, but film credits are Jon Moore - Prosthetics Modeller and Josh Weston - Prosthetic Sculptor | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Just checked the on-screen credits and found no-one credited for make-up effects.
Checked IMDB and they have David White credited as Prosthetic Makeup Designer.
and Jon Moore & Josh Weston as Special makeup effects artists, but film credits are Jon Moore - Prosthetics Modeller and Josh Weston - Prosthetic Sculptor I didn't have time to check the actual credits, so thanks for that. I guess Invelos isn't the only one who 'shoehorns' credits. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting ateo357:
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Just checked the on-screen credits and found no-one credited for make-up effects.
Checked IMDB and they have David White credited as Prosthetic Makeup Designer.
and Jon Moore & Josh Weston as Special makeup effects artists, but film credits are Jon Moore - Prosthetics Modeller and Josh Weston - Prosthetic Sculptor
I didn't have time to check the actual credits, so thanks for that. I guess Invelos isn't the only one who 'shoehorns' credits. I've got nothing but time this week. Off with pay. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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Just a couple of things I found on the net:
From a free online dictionary:
pros·thet·ics
n. (used with a sing. verb)
The branch of medicine or surgery that deals with the production and application of artificial body parts.
From Websters online dictionary: Makeup Prosthetics:
Prosthetic makeup is the process of using prosthetic sculpting, molding and casting techniques to create advanced cosmetic effects. Prosthetic makeup was revolutionized by Dick Smith in such films as The Godfather, where they first used squibs to simulate gun shot wounds. It was later led by such people as Tom Savini (Friday the 13th, Dawn of the Dead, Creepshow), Rob Bottin (The Thing, Total Recall), Rick Baker (The Nutty Professor), and Stan Winston (Jurassic Park, Interview with the Vampire)
The problem, unfortunately, is that the credit doesn't say 'Prosthetic Makeup' or 'Makeup Prosthetics'. If it did, there would be no question that it was allowed, but it doesn't. It is just a generic 'Prosthetics Designer' credit. To add to this there are, according to IMDb, two other people who are credited as 'special makeup effects artists'.
As I said earlier, I do believe he should be included, I just don't see the rules allowing it, but that is just my opinion. Personally I see no difference. Stan Winston is mentioned above - he is credited with 'Live Action Dinosaurs' in Jurassic Park. He created the "prosthetic sculpting, molding and casting techniques to create advanced cosmetic effects" to produce life-like dinosaurs. So, to me at least, whether the prosthetics crew worked on a facial make-up or a limb it's all prosthetic make-up to 'create cosmetic effects'. But, that's just my opinion. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Also, I would point this out:
I added this guy to the Captain America 3D UK blu-ray profile. Someone is currently trying to remove it, stating it's not in the crew list.
Now, while I may disagree I understand why.
However, the same person is adding 'FX Supervisors' to the profile. Someone tell me where FX Supervisors are in the crew list? |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
As I said earlier, I do believe he should be included, I just don't see the rules allowing it, but that is just my opinion. I totally agree with that. As for most fields, rules are not made to get interesting data (in fact I hardly see for which purpose they are made as they are, certainly not for movie lovers). But we have a marvellous tool to get exactly what we want : forget the online, use the program and local data... | | | | Images from movies |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Also, I would point this out:
I added this guy to the Captain America 3D UK blu-ray profile. Someone is currently trying to remove it, stating it's not in the crew list.
Now, while I may disagree I understand why.
However, the same person is adding 'FX Supervisors' to the profile. Someone tell me where FX Supervisors are in the crew list? I personally agree with you. Going by the rules as they are written today I don't think either should be listed. I personally wouldn't care if it is the Director of the movie... if s/he is listed anyway other then what the chart lists per rules (or of course direct translation)... they shouldn't be listed in the online profile. IMO anything other then what is in that chart needs to be local only. It's one of the reason I try to stay away from doing crew and don't vote on crew only submissions. Too hard to weed through it all the way everyone does it. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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