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The Rules cannot be more clear than they are on this issue:  "Use the title from the front cover."

Please remember that this is just for the online database, and you're free to make your local title anything you want to.

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And how is that in any way useful to the Finnish users in this thread? And, how does it impact you, at all?

Why do English speakers always want to force their way on the rest of the world? It's unfair.

Let Gerri's ruling stand. It makes sense, is fair, and doesn't impact American/UK/Australian users at all.


Personally you can put the Case title or Box title in any language you like. I would just like the Orig. Title to be correct with upper and lower case letters. Not all Caps.  Cast and Crew names that match the films on-screen credits. And that's from a English speaking American.
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Why do English speakers always want to force their way on the rest of the world? It's unfair.


Me is from country of Bratwurst and Autobahn.
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Why do English speakers always want to force their way on the rest of the world? It's unfair.


Me is from country of Bratwurst and Autobahn.



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Since this is a DVD where the title appears in multiple languages on the cover, the suggested usage would be to use the Finnish title (in the case of Open Range) as title.

-Gerri

That settles it. 
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Agreed to use the foreign title. It wills till come up under the English title in a search.


If you search for 'The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy: Extended Edition' or 'Clear and Present Danger' Blu-rays in the database the Finnish Profiles will not appear in the search result. Only if you use the Finnish title can you find them. I guess that is because the contributors are not using the 'original title' field correctly.

But I think I will withdraw my contribution for the Finnish Lord of the Rings profile to change the title to the English version just because there seems to be no clarity at all in regards to the rules what is correct and what is not. They are poorly written leave to much room for interpretation and personally I do not care about statements from Ken or Gerri made in the forum since the rules are the rules and not the forum. They should change the rules after having made statements in the forum to clarify them.
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If you search for 'The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy: Extended Edition' or 'Clear and Present Danger' Blu-rays in the database the Finnish Profiles will not appear in the search result. Only if you use the Finnish title can you find them.  I guess that is because the contributors are not using the 'original title' field correctly.

Your guess is wrong. "Add new title" feature uses only Title field for searches. Ken has been several times asked to fix this. Local search on the other hand uses both fields.
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But I think I will withdraw my contribution for the Finnish Lord of the Rings profile to change the title to the English version just because there seems to be no clarity at all in regards to the rules what is correct and what is not.


That I wouldn't do either. Rules may be Rules but in the end it's the owners of that specific DVD/BR that have to live with the profile. If you contribute finnish and everyone votes yes then it shall be finnish.

The rules simply can't cover every eventuality, if you try you'll end up with german tax laws.
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Rules may be Rules but in the end it's the owners of that specific DVD/BR that have to live with the profile. If you contribute finnish and everyone votes yes then it shall be finnish.

He wasn't contributing finnish title, he was removing it.
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The rules simply can't cover every eventuality, if you try you'll end up with german tax laws.


I bet German taxes are lower than Swedish taxes. 
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And I always enter the localized title from the BACK cover and I've never seen one declined, and I also have seen someone changing the title to the localized title from the back cover and contribution approved. If, when you are talking about entering the title from the front cover, you are talking about Swedish releases, the localized title in the back cover is very often the same as the original title in the front cover, as seen in the pic below.

In Nordic releases the Swedish, Danish and Norwegian titles are often the same as the original title and only Finnish title is in Finnish. The overviews are usually written in all four languages. In cases like this it is suggested by Gerri to use the localized title from the back cover:


I understand, but the fact remains that a Finnish user entering the title from the FRONT cover (where we are told in no uncertain terms to get the title) will not find the DVD when searching the online database. Just so everyone is aware of the consequences... Of course most people enter the EAN so maybe it's not a big issue.
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But I think I will withdraw my contribution for the Finnish Lord of the Rings profile to change the title to the English version just because there seems to be no clarity at all in regards to the rules what is correct and what is not.


That I wouldn't do either. Rules may be Rules but in the end it's the owners of that specific DVD/BR that have to live with the profile. If you contribute finnish and everyone votes yes then it shall be finnish.

The rules simply can't cover every eventuality, if you try you'll end up with german tax laws.


I do not want the rules to cover every eventuality but if you start the rules regarding the title with

Use the title from the front cover.

and then you write that

If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ( for instance in another language).

it should be made very clear what that word 'appears' covers like with example the statement 'anywhere on the cover'. Its that easy but three years after Geri's statement the rules are still unclear.
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it should be made very clear what that word 'appears' covers like with example the statement 'anywhere on the cover'. Its that easy but three years after Geri's statement the rules are still unclear.


When you've hung here around for a decade you'll get used to the negligence. 
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it should be made very clear what that word 'appears' covers like with example the statement 'anywhere on the cover'. Its that easy but three years after Geri's statement the rules are still unclear.

I guess it depends on your point of view.  The rules in question have always been quite clear to me. 
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it should be made very clear what that word 'appears' covers like with example the statement 'anywhere on the cover'. Its that easy but three years after Geri's statement the rules are still unclear.

I guess it depends on your point of view.  The rules in question have always been quite clear to me. 


anywhere on the cover? there are 3 sections to a cover: Front, Spine, Back. I've got box sets that have differnet so-called titles on front & spine. Or the spine will have one thing and the front is a list of the movies included. It can get confusing which to use. Like Alien - Definitive Collection. (1st 3 Alien films). Nowhere on the cover does it read that.
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anywhere on the cover? there are 3 sections to a cover: Front, Spine, Back. I've got box sets that have differnet so-called titles on front & spine. Or the spine will have one thing and the front is a list of the movies included. It can get confusing which to use. Like Alien - Definitive Collection. (1st 3 Alien films). Nowhere on the cover does it read that.

I am not sure what your point is here as it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I posted...which was that the rules, to me, were quite clear. 
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I am not sure what your point is here as it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I posted...which was that the rules, to me, were quite clear. 

The rules may be quite clear to a number of people here who nevertheless argue with one another about what they mean, so I don't know why any of us having a clear understanding makes any difference.

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