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Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirtualScot: Quote: That if only airport security at the time was not akin to a bus station The failure in 2001 was not one of airport security but of intelligence (the CIA and FBI kind, not common sense). The hijackers had minimal weaponry but they knew we would act as trained to during a hijacking..passively. In the first three flights that is what happened. When the people on flight 93 found out what was happening they erupted. I daresay it will be a long time before hijackers again find a passive set of passengers. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Before 9-11 we were were a country of lazy, it's not my problem, someone else will fix it people. Not wanted to get involved in a situation where we could possibly be not-so politicaly correct or have the chance of getting sued. We still are to a point. We have open borders, we know of illegal activity in our neighborhoods but don't tell the authorities. There will be another event that rattles this country and probably Europe before we really start to listen. |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirtualScot: Quote: That if only airport security at the time was not akin to a bus station, then 3000 life's would not have been lost that day. And then two pointless wars that resulted in more loss of life.
The fact is it don't matter who done it. Any one with an idealogical view that was anti American. Had a box cutter and some flight experience, could have done it.
For 10 years the finger of blame has been pointed at radical Islam. When in fact the finger of blame should have been pointed at government. Who failed massively at protecting it's ppl that day. You have obviously never been through airport security in the States before or after 9/11. My guess is you've never been through airport security outside of your country because you ignorance shows tremendously with that asinine (shocking!) statement. Tweeter nailed it. Intelligence failed. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: I think today would be a good day to pull out my DVD of Fahrenheit 9/11 .. Thankyou Michael Moore .. just discovered That the Entire movie is here on Youtube for those who don't have the Michael Moore Documentary movie .. or just want to see bits and pieces ... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,119 |
| Posted: | | | | A shocking movie is "102 Minutes That Changed America" - of all the various camcorder footage of the World Trade Centre attacks on September 11th, 2001. It's sad and too disturbing for me to rewatch very often. I'd sooner forget, but it haunts me. |
| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | My thoughts were with my (relatively new) girlfriend today, because we're currently working hard to build our future together and live together ... I didn't even notice it was the aniversary of the 9/11 disaster. Hey, the topic was "where are your thoughts today" and that's where mine were. | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: Quoting VirtualScot:
Quote: That if only airport security at the time was not akin to a bus station The failure in 2001 was not one of airport security but of intelligence (the CIA and FBI kind, not common sense).
The hijackers had minimal weaponry but they knew we would act as trained to during a hijacking..passively. In the first three flights that is what happened. When the people on flight 93 found out what was happening they erupted.
I daresay it will be a long time before hijackers again find a passive set of passengers. And if it was lack of intelligence as you say, then it's still the fault of the government. As they where government agency's tasked with protecting the people. I still say it was lack of security at airports which was the main factor. If there was nothing wrong with it, then why has so much changed in the last 10 years. |
| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,665 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirtualScot: Quote: I still say it was lack of security at airports which was the main factor. If there was nothing wrong with it, then why has so much changed in the last 10 years. So much has changed with respect to (at least in the US) airport security in the last ten years simply because the government can use it as way to show they are "doing something". Not something useful IMHO, but something. I've heard it described as Security Theater and i think that sums it up well. I feel no safer with airport security in the US now than i did in 2000. I flew from Texas to London just 10 days after 9/11 (an already planned vacation). My parents expressed some concern but as i told them no one would ever get a chance again to do what the 9/11 hijackers did because the passengers wouldn't allow it. I must say i was impressed with the London-based security when returning to the US. Much more rational and focused on me (as a person) and less so on my stuff. | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote: Quoting VirtualScot:
Quote: I still say it was lack of security at airports which was the main factor. If there was nothing wrong with it, then why has so much changed in the last 10 years. So much has changed with respect to (at least in the US) airport security in the last ten years simply because the government can use it as way to show they are "doing something". Not something useful IMHO, but something. I've heard it described as Security Theater and i think that sums it up well.
I feel no safer with airport security in the US now than i did in 2000.
I flew from Texas to London just 10 days after 9/11 (an already planned vacation). My parents expressed some concern but as i told them no one would ever get a chance again to do what the 9/11 hijackers did because the passengers wouldn't allow it.
I must say i was impressed with the London-based security when returning to the US. Much more rational and focused on me (as a person) and less so on my stuff.
Terrorists are not deterred by non passive passengers. If there going to fly a plane into a building killing them self in the process, knocking off all the passengers is not a problem for them. And while you personally might not be feeling any safer. Certainly the fact that nothing like 9/11 has been replicated proves that security has been tightened. And needed to be to ensure terrorists don't turn planes into deadly weapons again. The fact it was Islamic fundamentalists that committed it is irrelevant. Any nut job ideology could have seen the weakness and exploited it to there advantage. 9/11 made America see that being the worlds most powerful country was not a deterrent to terrorism itself. 9/11 was the beginning of the 21st century, and the start of the road to the new modern age. We are still on that rocky road to that new modern age. But once this decade is over and the 20th anniversary of 9/11 rolls around. We will be at the start of that new modern age. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirtualScot: Quote: Terrorists are not deterred by non passive passengers. If there going to fly a plane into a building killing them self in the process, knocking off all the passengers is not a problem for them. Knowing that non-passive passengers will prevent them from hitting their intended target and kill them if possible, most certainly is a deterrent! Quoting VirtualScot: Quote: And while you personally might not be feeling any safer. Certainly the fact that nothing like 9/11 has been replicated proves that security has been tightened. And needed to be to ensure terrorists don't turn planes into deadly weapons again. Anyone who has a feeling of being safer is simply deluding themselves. The shoe bomber and the underwear bomber are two examples of successfully getting explosives on-board. It was only the gross incompetence of the planners/executors that averted another disaster. Whatever measures are put in place, countermeasures will be found and implemented. If it's not a commercial plane, it'll be a a small plane, or a truck, or a sports stadium, or a subway station, or the airport terminal itself, which has almost no protection. The Islamic radicals WILL find a way to inflict mass casualties again! There is no way to prevent it. What is important, is how we respond to it when it happens! Quoting VirtualScot: Quote: The fact it was Islamic fundamentalists that committed it is irrelevant. Any nut job ideology could have seen the weakness and exploited it to there advantage. It may be irrelevant to you, but it certainly isn't to us! Virtually EVERY terror attack in the past 25 years, with the exception of Oklahoma City, was perpetrated by Islamic radicals! Which is exactly why the current airport security is a joke. If it were profiling Islamic radicals and those acting suspiciously, instead of harassing innocent citizens going about their normal lives, I might, and I said might feel safer! Quoting VirtualScot: Quote: 9/11 made America see that being the worlds most powerful country was not a deterrent to terrorism itself. 9/11 was the beginning of the 21st century, and the start of the road to the new modern age. The only deterrent to terrorism, is to take it out wherever and whenever we find it. We've been doing that for the last ten years and we will continue to do it for as long as it takes! Better that we do it in your back yard than in ours! Quoting VirtualScot: Quote: We are still on that rocky road to that new modern age. But once this decade is over and the 20th anniversary of 9/11 rolls around. We will be at the start of that new modern age. Keep dreaming! | | | Hal | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting VirtualScot:
Quote: Terrorists are not deterred by non passive passengers. If there going to fly a plane into a building killing them self in the process, knocking off all the passengers is not a problem for them.
Knowing that non-passive passengers will prevent them from hitting their intended target and kill them if possible, most certainly is a deterrent!
Quoting VirtualScot:
Quote: And while you personally might not be feeling any safer. Certainly the fact that nothing like 9/11 has been replicated proves that security has been tightened. And needed to be to ensure terrorists don't turn planes into deadly weapons again.
Anyone who has a feeling of being safer is simply deluding themselves. The shoe bomber and the underwear bomber are two examples of successfully getting explosives on-board. It was only the gross incompetence of the planners/executors that averted another disaster. Whatever measures are put in place, countermeasures will be found and implemented. If it's not a commercial plane, it'll be a a small plane, or a truck, or a sports stadium, or a subway station, or the airport terminal itself, which has almost no protection. The Islamic radicals WILL find a way to inflict mass casualties again! There is no way to prevent it. What is important, is how we respond to it when it happens!
Quoting VirtualScot:
Quote: The fact it was Islamic fundamentalists that committed it is irrelevant. Any nut job ideology could have seen the weakness and exploited it to there advantage.
It may be irrelevant to you, but it certainly isn't to us! Virtually EVERY terror attack in the past 25 years, with the exception of Oklahoma City, was perpetrated by Islamic radicals! Which is exactly why the current airport security is a joke. If it were profiling Islamic radicals and those acting suspiciously, instead of harassing innocent citizens going about their normal lives, I might, and I said might feel safer!
Quoting VirtualScot:
Quote: 9/11 made America see that being the worlds most powerful country was not a deterrent to terrorism itself. 9/11 was the beginning of the 21st century, and the start of the road to the new modern age.
The only deterrent to terrorism, is to take it out wherever and whenever we find it. We've been doing that for the last ten years and we will continue to do it for as long as it takes! Better that we do it in your back yard than in ours!
Quoting VirtualScot:
Quote: We are still on that rocky road to that new modern age. But once this decade is over and the 20th anniversary of 9/11 rolls around. We will be at the start of that new modern age.
Keep dreaming! Well your country made enough errors with handling that part of the world to draw people to such extremism, and make your country the prime target as well. And Iraq the last war you started has now resulted in an even worse situation with politics there being Shia dominated. Thanks to an Iranian funded insurgency. Completing Iran's 1000 year dream of having it's western border secured. And no it don't deter terrorism with every one wanting to be a John McClain. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VirtualScot: Quote: Well your country made enough errors with handling that part of the world to draw people to such extremism, and make your country the prime target as well. What you fail to recognize is that the Islamic radicals hate our CULTURE....period. It has absolutely nothing to do with what the government does or does not do. They believe we are decadent infidels who deserve nothing less than to be murdered. No matter how much kissy-face making the government engages in, they will still hate us and they will still do everything they can to kill us! Taking them out first is the only sensible thing to do! I just pray that our government continues to have the stomach for it! | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,796 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting VirtualScot:
Quote: Well your country made enough errors with handling that part of the world to draw people to such extremism, and make your country the prime target as well.
Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Quoting VirtualScot:
Quote: Well your country made enough errors with handling that part of the world to draw people to such extremism, and make your country the prime target as well.
What you fail to recognize is that the Islamic radicals hate our CULTURE....period. It has absolutely nothing to do with what the government does or does not do. They believe we are decadent infidels who deserve nothing less than to be murdered. No matter how much kissy-face making the government engages in, they will still hate us and they will still do everything they can to kill us!
Taking them out first is the only sensible thing to do! I just pray that our government continues to have the stomach for it!
Right on. I wish people, all people including Islam or Muslims or all the so called religious would read the little unbiased history on Confucius, Buddha, Jesus, or Muhammad. None intended to be so called icons of any religious order.
Religions are created by man as a means of control.
Why do you think the kings of Europe were so keen to accept Christianity, it rationalized divine rule, but they still kept pagan artifacts in their tents. What about the Catholics protecting their pervert priests. Arizona law is still looking for some of them. Jesus if I remember right taught man could pray to his God on his own.
Religion regardless it name has been and will always used as a rationalization for man to control one another as long as man will not bother to think for themselves instead of letting someone else do it for them. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own. Ineptocracy, You got to love it. "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln | | | Last edited: by Srehtims |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Taking them out first is the only sensible thing to do! I just pray that our government continues to have the stomach for it! Comments like that is the reason why rest of the world, how would I put it, ....dislike America. This has turned to a political thread and I see nasty s*it coming, so lock please. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Comments like that is the reason why rest of the world, how would I put it, ....dislike America. This has turned to a political thread and I see nasty s*it coming, so lock please. It depends. Id say the views on US are much more favorable then they were 10 years ago. Peoples views change when the news come to their back yard. It also became much more favorable after Obama was elected. Which is kinda ironic since US foreign policy hasn't changed much yet. But as you said, this is a political discussion, which although i think should be allowed, haven't yet been. |
| Registered: March 10, 2009 | Posts: 2,248 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting VirtualScot:
Quote: Well your country made enough errors with handling that part of the world to draw people to such extremism, and make your country the prime target as well.
What you fail to recognize is that the Islamic radicals hate our CULTURE....period. It has absolutely nothing to do with what the government does or does not do. They believe we are decadent infidels who deserve nothing less than to be murdered. No matter how much kissy-face making the government engages in, they will still hate us and they will still do everything they can to kill us!
Taking them out first is the only sensible thing to do! I just pray that our government continues to have the stomach for it! I don't know why i even bothered the first time to response to you, given i have witnessed in other threads your homophobia. It's not that i don't respect someone's right to dislike gays. Just when they try to force there belief system and morals on someone else do i object. And i like to say that i don't dislike all Americans or America itself. Just generally the attitude of brain washed people like you and the idiots who who are in government. So yeah go ahead kill all the Arabs and sleep safe in good old white Christian America. Excuse me im going to go be sick now. |
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