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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMrVideo
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And Film Editor is still in use.  (And if it were just called Editor someone would confuse it with editors not related to photography.)


I took a random sampling of 27 of my movie discs to find out exactly what was credited.  The result is:

1970 - Film Editor - Ryan's Daughter
1972 - Film Editor - Poseidon Adventure
1974 - Film Editor - Earthquake
1974 - Film Editors - Towering Inferno
1977 - Editor - Saturday Night Fever
1977 - Film Editors - Star Wars
1978 - Film Editors - Halloween
1979 - Editor - Black Hole
1980 - Edited by - Empire Strikes Back
1981 - Editor - Raiders of the Lost Ark
1982 - Edited by - Star Trek II
1982 - Film Editor - Cat People
1983 - Edited by - Return of the Jedi
1983 - Film Editors - Flashdance
1984 - Edited by - Footloose
1984 - Editor - Temple of Doom
1989 - Editor - Last Crusade
1997 - Edited by - Titanic
2002 - Edited by - Spider-man
2003 - Film Editor - LotR - Return of the King
2004 - Edited by - Species III
2005 - Edited by - Aeonflux
2005 - Edited by - Revenge of the Sith
2005 - Editor - Serenity
2005 - Film Editor - King Kong
2007 - Edited by - Order of the Phoenix
2010 - Edited by - Inception

While "film editor" has been used, notice that it has definitely fallen out of favor, only being used twice this past decade.  The majority does not have "film" as part of the credit.  No TV show in the past three decades (not since electronic editing has taken over) uses "film editor".  As can be seen from the list, "editor" is used, it seems, without confusion.

DVDP needs to allow the contributor to use the correct credit.  Since no TV show uses "film editor," it is very inaccurate to use it for TV show editors.  And because "film editor" is being replaced, DVDP should have "Editor" as a selection.  Also, TV shows are not films.

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Not at all.  Custom Roles stay local, they are stripped from the data contributed.  And if you accept updated profiles when they change your Custom Roles are not touched.


That is good news.  But, I'd rather that the contributed profile be correct than to have to go and change pretty much each and every profile that is released.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMrVideo
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Regardless of whether your expectations were realistic, if the screen says "created by" and DVD Profiler says "created by," isn't that a verbatim representation of what's on screen? The categories are useful groupings of roles that put related kinds of roles together for clarity. IMDB does the same thing, though their format is different.


It is a verbatim representation.  It is the categories that threw me.  I was expecting a top-down list of the crew credits.  Obviously it isn't the way it is.

As an extension of the above posting, the "Film Editing" category is just as wrong as the "Film Editor" credit.  The category should just be "Editing" as TV shows are not films and haven't done actual editing on film for many decades.  If "film" is meant to also mean "movie," that too is very wrong when pertaining to TV shows. The category should be "Editing" and at least three of the possible credits being "Film Editor", "Editor" and "Edited by" to match what is in use today.

I'm sure there must be other credit roles that have changed over time.  DVDP needs to go with the changes.  I'm not trying to be a PITA, just trying to point out what needs to change, for accuracy and improvement.

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I was actually expecting the crew listing to be verbatim as to what is in the on-screen credits.\
That is, from a practical standpoint, impossible to do unless you go with fully open credits (meaning you just type in what you see on the screen, nothing is predetermined). I have quite a few Japanese releases and they use completely different wording for basically the same roles crew in the US have

e.g.:
US : Screenwriter
Japan : Series Composer, Episode Writer, Movie adaptation, etc

All of the above are actually exactly the same work: taking an existing piece of work or literature and adapt it, rewrite it, for the big or small screen.

So you can go with open credits and have all those wildly different definition popping up, eventually leading to nobody understanding anymore what that person is doing.

Or, you can do as we do now: narrow it down to groups with each group having standardized roles. It's up to the contributors then to match the correct role of the credits to the correct role in DVDP. For example, when see: "Series Composer: Shinji Mikami", then I will enter in DVDP: "Shinji Mikami as Screenwriter".

Locally, you still can keep track of those alternate role names, by entering a custom role. It can't be contributed online but locally you'll have all the info. That's what I do. With the above example that gives:
Shinji Mikami as Screenwriter [Series Composition]

I'm always open to suggestions of course but for the time being, I have a hard time imagining how things could be done differently or in a better way 
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Open credits within predefined areas is possibly the way to go. At least we wouldn't see the current attempts to shoe-horn in every credit in the existing categories leading to some very strange results.
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Open credits within predefined areas is possibly the way to go.

That's exactly what we have: we can store whatever we want in our local databases, and call it whatever we want, too, within predefined areas. Of course DVD Profiler only tracks a limited number of crew jobs, so anything beyond that isn't submitted. But locally, we actually have "open credits within predefined areas".
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Not at all.  Custom Roles stay local, they are stripped from the data contributed.  And if you accept updated profiles when they change your Custom Roles are not touched.


That is good news.  But, I'd rather that the contributed profile be correct than to have to go and change pretty much each and every profile that is released.

Some of us have suggested that the custom role field be contributable, so that we capture the actual credit in the main db, but it hasn't gotten much farther than that.
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Not at all.  Custom Roles stay local, they are stripped from the data contributed.  And if you accept updated profiles when they change your Custom Roles are not touched.


That is good news.  But, I'd rather that the contributed profile be correct than to have to go and change pretty much each and every profile that is released.

Some of us have suggested that the custom role field be contributable, so that we capture the actual credit in the main db, but it hasn't gotten much farther than that.

It's not something that is high on my priority list or that I'm very hung up on, but if that were to be implemented, I certainly wouldn't have anything against it.
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That's exactly what we have: we can store whatever we want in our local databases, and call it whatever we want, too, within predefined areas. Of course DVD Profiler only tracks a limited number of crew jobs, so anything beyond that isn't submitted. But locally, we actually have "open credits within predefined areas".


I'm talking about the online of course. There all sorts of jobs are currently shoe-horned into the existing categories, sometimes rightfully, often not. And the constant questions of whether this or that job description should get a credit based on the crew chart tells me that the current system isn't working very well.
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