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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kluge: Quote:
As on screen  The vast majority of the colons that we add as seperators aren't seen on the screen, so that shouldn't "seal the deal" here, either. |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Kluge:
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As on screen
The vast majority of the colons that we add as seperators aren't seen on the screen, so that shouldn't "seal the deal" here, either. But the use of a colon in case of an episode descriptor is specifically addressed in the rules. No colon or hyphen is being used in case of E.T. (not on screen, not on the cover, not in the credit block on the back cover) and the Universal website uses no colon or hyphen either. Moreover, "the Extra-Terrestrial" is no episode descriptor. All these arguments combined should "seal the deal". | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
No colon or hyphen is being used in case of E.T. (not on screen, not on the cover, not in the credit block on the back cover) and the Universal website uses no colon or hyphen either. Once again: the same applies for many instances where we do add a colon. Our rules don't necessarily match what is on the screen, the cover, the credits block or the studio's website. None of this really matters. Quote:
Moreover, "the Extra-Terrestrial" is no episode descriptor. That is the one thing that, indeed, does matter. |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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No colon or hyphen is being used in case of E.T. (not on screen, not on the cover, not in the credit block on the back cover) and the Universal website uses no colon or hyphen either.
Once again: the same applies for many instances where we do add a colon. Our rules don't necessarily match what is on the screen, the cover, the credits block or the studio's website. None of this really matters.
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Moreover, "the Extra-Terrestrial" is no episode descriptor.
That is the one thing that, indeed, does matter. I don't say that a website or just the back cover is decisive. I say that all those arguments combined is. | | | | Cor |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | And I say that only that very last argument matters. |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
And I say that only that very last argument matters. Sorry I don't agree. There's no rule about this matter so adding or correcting such a title should be well documented and supported by as much arguments possible. Otherwise the ping-pong will start over just a colon... | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Corne. There aren't many instances where we add the colon, there are only two...
Episode descriptors
Music and stage performance
...anything else is against the rules. It might be common practice, for some users, but that doesn't make it right. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
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Was working on some stuff for my local today on this film, and had to look-up a credit with the CLT. I see the film's title is listed multiple ways.
E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial
E.T. - The Extra-Terrestrial
I know the third option is incorrect. We don't use hyphens to separate titles unless they're specifically present on the cover That's news to me, because over here they do it all the time. Current example 886977-127496. I'd love to get rid of these inane taglines, or at least drop the non existent hyphen. But I'm alone in this. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I agree with Corne. There aren't many instances where we add the colon, there are only two...
Episode descriptors
Music and stage performance
...anything else is against the rules. It might be common practice, for some users, but that doesn't make it right. Not that it matters for the outcome, but that was actually what I was saying, not Corne. As I said: all this is about, is whether "The Extra-Terrestrial" is an episode descriptor or not (at least I assumed that nobody felt that this was a music/stage performance). The answer to that question tells us whether we need to use a colon or not. Anything else is - for our purposes, that is - completely irrelevant. |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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I agree with Corne. There aren't many instances where we add the colon, there are only two...
Episode descriptors
Music and stage performance
...anything else is against the rules. It might be common practice, for some users, but that doesn't make it right.
Not that it matters for the outcome, but that was actually what I was saying, not Corne. As I said: all this is about, is whether "The Extra-Terrestrial" is an episode descriptor or not (at least I assumed that nobody felt that this was a music/stage performance). The answer to that question tells us whether we need to use a colon or not. Anything else is - for our purposes, that is - completely irrelevant. Twisting words is a nice way to go here. | | | | Cor |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbbb: Quote:
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Was working on some stuff for my local today on this film, and had to look-up a credit with the CLT. I see the film's title is listed multiple ways.
E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial
E.T. - The Extra-Terrestrial
I know the third option is incorrect. We don't use hyphens to separate titles unless they're specifically present on the cover
That's news to me, because over here they do it all the time.
Current example 886977-127496. I'd love to get rid of these inane taglines, or at least drop the non existent hyphen. But I'm alone in this. Where is over here?  Fabricating a hyphen is surely against the rules. | | | | Cor |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Twisting words is a nice way to go here. I wouldn't know: I always stick to the facts. I certainly didn't "twist" anything here. Quote:
Where is over here? I guess "over there" is Germany - many German profiles indeed use hyphens to add taglines and/or German translations of the film's title. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| | Posted: | | | | The following movie titles in my collection include a colon in the title, even though there is none on the DVD cover AND they do not appear to be “episodes” and they are not "music or stage performances". These are what I refer to as “subtitles” or “title descriptors”, and it has been common practice for many years to include them, separated from the “main” title by a colon. They often appear as sub-text under the main title in a smaller font, but not always. Personally, I do not use a colon in the title for E.T.
8MM: Eight Millimeter
2010: The Year we Make Contact
Abraxas: Guardian of the Universe
Aguirre: The Wrath of God
Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy
Babylon A.D.: Raw and Uncut
Back to the Future: The Complete Trilogy
Bad Lieutenant: Port of Call New Orleans
Battlestar Galactica: The Miniseries
Beverly Hills Cop: The Complete Lineup
Blade: Trinity
Broken Blossoms: A Tale of Forbidden Love
Cahill: United States Marshall
Category 7: The End of the World
Cosmos: War of the Planets
D-Day: The Sixth of June
Dominion: The Prequel to The Exorcist
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra
Homecoming: A Christmas Story
Interview with the Vampire: The Vampire Chronicles
K*19: The Widowmaker
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider
The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy
Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World
MIB: Men in Black
Planet of the Apes: The Evolution
Santa Buddies: The Legend of Santa Paws
Shirley Temple: Little Darling Pack
Smokey and the Bandit: Pursuit Pack
Sword of the Valiant: The Legend of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight
Tommy: The Movie
Total Recall 2070: Machine Dreams
Twilight Zone: The Movie
When We Left the Earth: The NASA Missions | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the case of E.T., I don't see it as a subtitle. It's just a title. If the movie would have been called Harry the Extra-Terrestrial, we wouldn't be having this conversation. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | But Harry the Extra-Terrestrial isn't even up for a vote?  | | | | Hans |
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