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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: I also can accept, that without guidance from Ken, on the ever changing world of movie credits, then the screeners are creeping along trying to interpret the rules for themselves.
Not knowing what information the screeners have, then this situation becomes unacceptable a their level
If this is the case, we would have no hope for consistency at ours, especially for items that are not directly covered by the rules, or the rules are ambiguous. This is indeed an perfectly accurate description of what's happening. |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: It looks like the screeners went with the voters in both cases so I would be interested to see what the reasons were.
All the no votes concerned the Location Crew, which had "Unit" applied to there divider in the credits
Rome Unit Stefano De Nardis...Costume Supervisor Renato Agostini...SPFX Supervisor Tokyo Unit Tony Crosbie...Costume Supervisor Yasuji Iwata...SPFX Supervisor New York Unit Donna Maloney...Costume Supervisor Steve Kirshoff...SPFX Supervisor
The other ironic thing, 5 of the no voters voted yes on another contribution that had location crew, but without the word"Unit". Unit credits are specifically not allowed. There's nothing in the rules about location crew. So there you are, the grey area again. Location crew isn't always 2nd, 3rd unit. The shooting of the film can be equally divided between two locations without one being 2nd and the other the main. For the screeners this could be troubling as well, especially when they don't know the film up for contribution. | | | Cor |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: Location crew isn't always 2nd, 3rd unit. Indeed. But they can be - and there's the rub. Quote: For the screeners this could be troubling as well, especially when they don't know the film up for contribution. Indeed. One could say that ideally, we shouldn't include anything in the online database that requires such specific knowledge. Maybe the online database should be restricted to the "black & white" stuff that isn't controversial or multi-interpretable, and anything ambigious like this should be kept local-only. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote: It looks like the screeners went with the voters in both cases so I would be interested to see what the reasons were.
All the no votes concerned the Location Crew, which had "Unit" applied to there divider in the credits Well, then, this makes very little sense to me as the reason given by the screeners has nothing to do with the 'no' votes. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: (...) Maybe the online database should be restricted to the "black & white" stuff that isn't controversial or multi-interpretable, and anything ambigious like this should be kept local-only. In that case I could as well ignore the online database completely and enter everything locally myself. And then I would not see any reason to use profiler at all. An access database would do better. |
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Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote: Would "New Zealand Unit" be considered a "Location" credit? I would, without any hesitation, enter them under a divider that read 'New Zealand Unit'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting ninehours:
Quote: Would "New Zealand Unit" be considered a "Location" credit? I would, without any hesitation, enter them under a divider that read 'New Zealand Unit'. Even though they are listed bellow the third unit? Would you list that unit as well? |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | What movie is this? I would enter it if New Zealand were a primary location. |
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Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting ninehours:
Quote: Would "New Zealand Unit" be considered a "Location" credit? I would, without any hesitation, enter them under a divider that read 'New Zealand Unit'. And I would of course without hesitation follow the rules and vote no to such a contribution. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Corne | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
Registered: April 5, 2007 | Posts: 1,059 |
| Posted: | | | | Location crew isn't specifically fobidden by the rules, but unit crew is. Wouldn't the main crew be credited before the second and third unit? The only exceptions being the visual effects and the post production sound credits. | | | Cor | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote: Location crew isn't specifically fobidden by the rules, but unit crew is. Wouldn't the main crew be credited before the second and third unit? The only exceptions being the visual effects and the post production sound credits. I just want to clarify - Location Crew is allowed. But, second, third or any other number Unit Crew is not. |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: I just want to clarify - Location Crew is allowed. I thought "Unit" crew was disallowed. Isn't "NEW ZEALAND UNIT" a "unit" crew? What if it said "Back Lot Unit"? --------------- |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote: Quoting Kathy:
Quote: I just want to clarify - Location Crew is allowed. I thought "Unit" crew was disallowed. Isn't "NEW ZEALAND UNIT" a "unit" crew? What if it said "Back Lot Unit"?
--------------- It is my understanding that we do not credit Crew who are credited with numerological terms: Second Unit, Third Unit etc. If Crew are listed under a particular location such as New Zealand Unit or New Zealand Crew or even in (what I believe is sarcasm) Back Lot Unit or Back Lot Crew, then yes these Crew get credited. To further clarify, I would also use Dividers to differentiate these acceptable Crew Credits as applicable because in almost all the cases I've run into this data, they are listed this way; in the credits. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,851 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: ... or even in (what I believe is sarcasm) Back Lot Unit or Back Lot Crew, then yes these Crew get credited. Not sarcastic, just generic. The idea about numerical designations is a new one to me. I thought all unit crew were disallowed. --------------- |
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