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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
For new titles, there is no other way. They have to be entered from scratch and, like the others, that is exactly what I do. Sure there is another way. There are several tools, like this one, available that help in mining the data from external sources. That data is, of course, not contributable (at least not without making a bunch of corrections), but to state that "there is no other way" to fill a local profile with cast and crew data just isn't true. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,744 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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For new titles, there is no other way. They have to be entered from scratch and, like the others, that is exactly what I do.
Sure there is another way. There are several tools, like this one, available that help in mining the data from external sources. That data is, of course, not contributable (at least not without making a bunch of corrections), but to state that "there is no other way" to fill a local profile with cast and crew data just isn't true. Even for contribution you can use Cast/Crew Edit 2 at least as a starting point. Get the data from IMDb, paste it to Freestyle Cast/Crew Edit and correct them to what's actually on screen. Then you can copy/paste it into DVDP and you have a contributable profile. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
There are several tools, like this one, available that help in mining the data from external sources. Yes, these tools exist, but they don't show up on the official download page for a reason: They violate the terms of usage for the scraped site. Quoting the "Conditions of Use" for IMDb (from here): Quote:
Robots and Screen Scraping: You may not use data mining, robots, screen scraping, or similar data gathering and extraction tools on this site, except with our express written consent as noted below. So strictly speaking: these tool exists, but it may be considered to be illegal. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Then you can copy/paste it into DVDP and you have a contributable profile. Sorry, No you don't! Or to be precise, it may be contributed, but should not be acceptable. The (with a minor exception) only allowed sources for cast-/crew data is the data of the DVD, or the data of another, already accepted, profile. If you scrape the data from another database and name the source, it will not get accepted, if you lie about the source ... it might be accepted, but it violates our contribution rules and sooner or later will be found out. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
So strictly speaking: these tool exists, but it may be considered to be illegal. I'm quite sure that these tools are not illegal, neither in my jurisdiction nor in the USA. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
Quoting DJ Doena:
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Then you can copy/paste it into DVDP and you have a contributable profile.
Sorry,
No you don't! Or to be precise, it may be contributed, but should not be acceptable.
The (with a minor exception) only allowed sources for cast-/crew data is the data of the DVD, or the data of another, already accepted, profile.
If you scrape the data from another database and name the source, it will not get accepted, if you lie about the source ... it might be accepted, but it violates our contribution rules and sooner or later will be found out. You have left out the important part in your quotation: "and correct them to what's actually on screen."After that process the data source in not the original database any more but the credits on screen. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
Quote:
For new titles, there is no other way. They have to be entered from scratch and, like the others, that is exactly what I do.
Sure there is another way. There are several tools, like this one, available that help in mining the data from external sources. That data is, of course, not contributable (at least not without making a bunch of corrections), but to state that "there is no other way" to fill a local profile with cast and crew data just isn't true. First, this is the contribution forum, so my answer wasn't geared towards with local only options. Second, as that tool violates IMDb's ToS, I have no intention of reccomending it as an option. Bottom line, for Profiler purposes, there is no other way. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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So strictly speaking: these tool exists, but it may be considered to be illegal.
I'm quite sure that these tools are not illegal, neither in my jurisdiction nor in the USA. I'm not sure whether you'd really like to discuss this topic with the lawyers of Amazon (owner of IMDb). If in doubt I'd bet on Amazon to win the case. And copyright infringements are illegal, under almost any civilized jurisdiction, except for Tobago, of course. Quoting RHo: Quote:
You have left out the important part in your quotation: "and correct them to what's actually on screen." Correct, I overread it.  Just a minor question: If I have to skim through the data for possible errors anyhow, what's the point in copying it from another database first?? | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
Registrant since 05/22/2003 | | | | Last edited: by Lewis_Prothero |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Even for contribution you can use Cast/Crew Edit 2 at least as a starting point.
Get the data from IMDb, paste it to Freestyle Cast/Crew Edit and correct them to what's actually on screen.
Then you can copy/paste it into DVDP and you have a contributable profile. As I just said to T!M, that tool violates IMDb's ToS. You may feel comfortable reccomending it, but I don't, so won't. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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So strictly speaking: these tool exists, but it may be considered to be illegal.
I'm quite sure that these tools are not illegal, neither in my jurisdiction nor in the USA.
I'm not sure whether you'd really like to discuss this topic with the lawyers of Amazon (owner of IMDb). If in doubt I'd bet on Amazon to win the case. Even if they don't win, I would bet on you going broke...due to legal fees...long before IMDb does. Quote:
And copyright infringements are illegal, under almost any civilized jurisdiction, except for Tobago, of course. This is quite true...especially in the US. Don't believe me? Just go ask the lady who was fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs. I don't know about anybody else but, for me, the little bit of time saved by scraping IMDb data, just isn't worth the risk. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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So strictly speaking: these tool exists, but it may be considered to be illegal.
I'm quite sure that these tools are not illegal, neither in my jurisdiction nor in the USA.
I'm not sure whether you'd really like to discuss this topic with the lawyers of Amazon (owner of IMDb). If in doubt I'd bet on Amazon to win the case. And copyright infringements are illegal, under almost any civilized jurisdiction, except for Tobago, of course. Yes copyright infringements are illegal. But I know that I can copy data (including text, images, film, and music) for my personal use from any source (including copy protected sources) legally in my jurisdiction. And I know that this is different from county to country. Another topic is the copyright of databases. Databases are not copyrighted under many jurisdictions. If the mentioned tool would be illegal then any Web browser would be illegal. Those tools do nothing which could not be done by copy and paste. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Silence_of_Lambs: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
Quote:
You have left out the important part in your quotation: "and correct them to what's actually on screen."
Correct,
I overread it.
Just a minor question: If I have to skim through the data for possible errors anyhow, what's the point in copying it from another database first?? Depending on your typing skills, correcting the copied credits takes less time than entering them from scratch. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
If the mentioned tool would be illegal then any Web browser would be illegal. Those tools do nothing which could not be done by copy and paste. They automate the process and that is why they are mentioned in the ToS. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Even if they don't win, I would bet on you going broke...due to legal fees...long before IMDb does. Quite true. Quote:
This is quite true...especially in the US. Don't believe me? Just go ask the lady who was fined $1.9 million for illegally downloading 24 songs. (...) While I would believe that downloading music from illegal sources may be illegal in the USA even for personal use, I think that the 1.9 million USD fine has been spoken for uploading. Uploading is illegal even in my jurisdiction. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
While I would believe that downloading music from illegal sources may be illegal in the USA even for personal use, I think that the 1.9 million USD fine has been spoken for uploading. Uploading is illegal even in my jurisdiction. I never make a statement of fact unless I know it is fact... $1.9 million for downloading 24 songs. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
Quote:
While I would believe that downloading music from illegal sources may be illegal in the USA even for personal use, I think that the 1.9 million USD fine has been spoken for uploading. Uploading is illegal even in my jurisdiction.
I never make a statement of fact unless I know it is fact...$1.9 million for downloading 24 songs. Sorry, the cited article is misleading. The usage of the word downloading is wrong in this context. Jammie Thomas-Rasset has been sentenced for file sharing which includes uploading. Otherwise statutory damages could not been claimed. |
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