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"Predator" is singular, and thus cannot constitute a group role.  You cannot have a group of "predator".

"Children" is plural and so could be a group role.

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Sure... but

Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator --> Predators.  And there is nothing in the rules that says the group lead must be plural in nature...


Agree with this.
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But that is not a role, it is three roles.  Look how the credit is worded and punctuated: 

"as the Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator".  Three individual roles.

I read it the same way...three individual roles, played by two individuals as opposed to  a group played by a group.
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But that is not a role, it is three roles.  Look how the credit is worded and punctuated: 

"as the Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator".  Three individual roles.

I read it the same way...three individual roles, played by two individuals as opposed to  a group played by a group.



Again, my question from earlier, How do you credit them?  Are you going to credit 3 group roles (each of the predators with 2 cast) or 6 individual credits. 

There is nothing in the rules that bans a group based upon multiple roles by multiple people.  I do not think there is anything that can even be parsed that way.  But applying the grouping would, for all effects, Mirror the credits (backwards maybe, but still the same idea)...

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To continue

If we have animated roles and in the credits it says

actor    character a/character b/ character c

we do not break up the roles for the single actor (unless the line is to long, then break at appropriate place)

Although, in my local I will treat them as separate rolls, From my readings and from previous discussions it is treated as one roll.

So why should we treat this any different, just because it happens to be multiple rolls for multiple actors?


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To continue

If we have animated roles and in the credits it says

actor    character a/character b/ character c

we do not break up the roles for the single actor (unless the line is to long, then break at appropriate place)

I think people are confusing a "group role" with multiple roles.  They are not the same thing.

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But that is not a role, it is three roles.  Look how the credit is worded and punctuated: 

"as the Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator".  Three individual roles.

I read it the same way...three individual roles, played by two individuals as opposed to  a group played by a group.


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But that is not a role, it is three roles.  Look how the credit is worded and punctuated: 

"as the Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator".  Three individual roles.

I read it the same way...three individual roles, played by two individuals as opposed to  a group played by a group.


So if I get your point correctly a credit like

Matilda, 9 Months                        Caitlin Fein
                                                  Amanda Fein

wouldn't get a group role either??
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I think people are confusing a "group role" with multiple roles.  They are not the same thing.

I think the same thing.  This is how I use dividers:

A group of people playing a group would get a divider.
A group of people playing a single role would get a divider.
Multiple individuals playing individual roles would not get a divider.
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Question Martian...
Going by those credits how do you know it is "Multiple individuals playing individual roles" and not those 2 people doing each of those roles at some point in the movie? I am seriously asking. As the way you are looking at it you have 2 people credited with 3 roles. So going by the way you are looking at it you are missing a person for the 3rd role. How do you know who (if any or bother) did which of the 3 roles?

The way I am reading it makes sense (to me) that those 2 people each played the part of all 3 predators at some point in the movie... which to me makes sense that the role is put all together as 1 role. And the divider would be correct.

I really think this depends on how you read it.
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In this thread some say this isn't a Group Role i assume because the names appear above the role(s) as opposed to below them

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Again the Role appears below the names

So are these Group Roles and therefor a Group Divider should be used or should only individual credits be used?

It's not the position of the names and roles above or below that determines whether it's a group role or not. I'm curious as to how you made that assumption from the first thread since no one mentioned that as a factor in the determination.
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I think people are confusing a "group role" with multiple roles.  They are not the same thing.

I think the same thing.  This is how I use dividers:

A group of people playing a group would get a divider.
A group of people playing a single role would get a divider.
Multiple individuals playing individual roles would not get a divider.

I am still trying to get an answer.  How would YOU credit them.

There really are only 4 choices


A single Group
Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator
Carey L. Jones
Brian Steele

Multiple Groups
Berserker Predator
Carey L. Jones
Brian Steele

Tracker Predator
Carey L. Jones
Brian Steele

Falconer Predator
Carey L. Jones
Brian Steele

2 individual with group roles
Carey L Jones  as Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator
Brian Steele as Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator

6 individual credits (or some variant)

Carey L. Jones as Berserker Predator
Carey L. Jones as Tracker Predator
Carey L. Jones as Falconer Predator
Brian Steele as Berserker Predator
Brian Steele as Tracker Predator
Brian Steele as Falconer Predator

The last one would be silly in my opinion.

Option 2 and 3 would not  present as presented in the credits. (Mirror the Credits)

I see it the way it is presented.  It is 1 line of roles, call it multiple roles if you like, but they are still presented together as a single line with multiple actors credited with them. 

It is no different than when 1 person is credited with multiple roles on 1 line.  We do not break up those Roles either (unless they are too long for 1 line).

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I am still trying to get an answer.  How would YOU credit them.

I answered this in the original Predator thread, so didn't think to answer it here as well.
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2 individual with group roles
Carey L Jones  as Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator
Brian Steele as Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator

This is how I would enter them.
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Option 2 and 3 would not  present as presented in the credits. (Mirror the Credits)

If we are being honest, neither is option 1. 
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I am still trying to get an answer.  How would YOU credit them.

I answered this in the original Predator thread, so didn't think to answer it here as well.
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2 individual with group roles
Carey L Jones  as Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator
Brian Steele as Berserker Predator, Tracker Predator & Falconer Predator

This is how I would enter them.
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Option 2 and 3 would not  present as presented in the credits. (Mirror the Credits)

If we are being honest, neither is option 1. 


I hadn't realized you answered it there.  And while your statement is true, it would represent closer than breaking up the credits.  I just don't see it that way.  To each his own.


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