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Star Trek Fan Collective, The Poll
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... If that was the case, then 'Fan Collective' would be the Edition to separate from the other versions of the movies. But I still don't think that applies to any of the fan collections that have been put together, as there are no other titles with the same name.


And if there is just 1 DVD out, let's say "Grey Hulk" as Extended Version, we still put Extended Version into the Edition field, even if there is no need for distinguishing. Exactly the same if there are 10 Version of "Grey Hulk" released, which are all the Extended Version, but no other version.

As explained, I can understand both variants and I can't decide which one is correct or wrong, so the idea with the poll was the best possibility.
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The "Fan's Collective" is obviously there to define a collection of releases, that makes it an edition. The bit about differentiating from different releases only refers (in my opinion) to editions that don't define a collection (Special Edition etc.)
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For those that are voting for it to be an edition, I have to ask why, when The Official Star Trek store has them listed as:

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Alternate Realities

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Borg DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Captain's Log DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Klingon DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Q DVD Set


  • ...would we do it any differently?  Especially when they have the Star Trek: Fan Collective Collection (5 DVD Set)?  If 'Fan Collective' is the edition, would that make this set, Title: Star Trek: Collection, Edition: Fan Collective?
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    For those that are voting for it to be an edition, I have to ask why, when The Official Star Trek store has them listed as:

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Alternate Realities

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Borg DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Captain's Log DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Klingon DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Q DVD Set


  • ...would we do it any differently?  Especially when they have the Star Trek: Fan Collective Collection (5 DVD Set)?  If 'Fan Collective' is the edition, would that make this set, Title: Star Trek: Collection, Edition: Fan Collective?


    That's not so unusual. Many collections are released as a box set.
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    That's not so unusual. Many collections are released as a box set.

    How, exactly, does this answer my question? 
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    That's not so unusual. Many collections are released as a box set.

    How, exactly, does this answer my question? 


    Rule:
    The Edition field is for distinguishing between DVDs, and for indicating special versions and collections.
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    I know what the rule says, but that doesn't answer the question...which was, why, when the people who made the set seem to consider it part of the title, are you suggesting that we do it differently?
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    ... I believe the rules refer to editions/collections such as

    El Dorado: The John Wayne Collection
    The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance: The John Wayne Collection

    Again, these are different editions of the films.
    There are no other versions of 'Captain's Log' or 'Borg' or 'Klingon'.
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    Unlike VirusPil, I cannot see both sides of this arguement. 

    I cannot see an edition in this cover at all.  To me it doesn't exist.

    I am really beginning to understand the frustration of some users on this board, when we have to argue about things like this.

    startrek.com has it listed as a title.  It is not a collection.  Collection and Collective are 2 different words.  And to top it off

    Quoting MadMartian
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    ...The proof of purchase tab, on the set I own, reads 'Star Trek: Fan Collective - Borg'.


    emphasis mine. 

    With a reference from the box and the official website, I do not understand how there can be any argument.

    And for those that think "Star Trek:Captains Log: Fan Collective", this is the same argument we get into when we try to reproduce the graphics on the cover.

    Charlie
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    For those that are voting for it to be an edition, I have to ask why, when The Official Star Trek store has them listed as:

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Alternate Realities

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Borg DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Captain's Log DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Klingon DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Q DVD Set


  • ...would we do it any differently?  Especially when they have the Star Trek: Fan Collective Collection (5 DVD Set)?  If 'Fan Collective' is the edition, would that make this set, Title: Star Trek: Collection, Edition: Fan Collective?



    As I said earlier, this is no different than:

    Star Trek: Voyager: Season 1

    or

    Star Trek: TOS: Season 3

    "Voyager" and "TOS" describe which "series" (or grouping) of "Star Trek" we're talking about, while "Season X" describes the  specific set of episodes in that series.

    "Fan Collective" describes the "series" (or grouping) of "Star Trek" we're talking about, while "Alternate Realities" or "Q DVD set" describes the specific set of episodes within that series.

    "Fan Collective" is not an "Edition".
    Hal
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    For those that are voting for it to be an edition, I have to ask why, when The Official Star Trek store has them listed as:

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Alternate Realities

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Borg DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Captain's Log DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Klingon DVD Set

  • Star Trek: Fan Collective - Q DVD Set


  • ...would we do it any differently?  Especially when they have the Star Trek: Fan Collective Collection (5 DVD Set)?  If 'Fan Collective' is the edition, would that make this set, Title: Star Trek: Collection, Edition: Fan Collective?



    As I said earlier, this is no different than:

    Star Trek: Voyager: Season 1

    or

    Star Trek: TOS: Season 3

    "Voyager" and "TOS" describe which "series" (or grouping) of "Star Trek" we're talking about, while "Season X" describes the  specific set of episodes in that series.

    "Fan Collective" describes the "series" (or grouping) of "Star Trek" we're talking about, while "Alternate Realities" or "Q DVD set" describes the specific set of episodes within that series.

    "Fan Collective" is not an "Edition".


    A Season Descriptor refers to the content itself. Fan Collective refers to a collection of DVDs.

    P.s. it would solve a lot of multiple title counts in the CLT when the season descriptor of TV series has to be put in the edition field 
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    ... I believe the rules refer to editions/collections such as

    El Dorado: The John Wayne Collection
    The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance: The John Wayne Collection

    Again, these are different editions of the films.
    There are no other versions of 'Captain's Log' or 'Borg' or 'Klingon'.


    That's one use of the Edition field but there are two reasons for the edition field:

    The Edition field is for ¹distinguishing between DVDs, and for ²indicating special versions and collections.
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    A Season Descriptor refers to the content itself. Fan Collective refers to a collection of DVDs.


    By that logic, "Captain's Log" would be the edition as it refers to the content itself - not "Fan Collective".
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    A Season Descriptor refers to the content itself. Fan Collective refers to a collection of DVDs.


    By that logic, "Captain's Log" would be the edition as it refers to the content itself - not "Fan Collective".


    No, because a season indicator refers to the content itself and has to be put into the title field. The edition field is for the name of a collection of DVDs. "Fan Collective" is in my opinion the name for a collection of DVDs (Captain's Log, Borg etc.) and "Captain's Log" is the name for the actual episodes in this DVD set.
    Cor
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    Quoting Corne:
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    A Season Descriptor refers to the content itself. Fan Collective refers to a collection of DVDs.

    P.s. it would solve a lot of multiple title counts in the CLT when the season descriptor of TV series has to be put in the edition field 


    A season descriptor describes the group of episodes in that box of DVDs in exactly the same way that Alternative Realities does.

    If I were to do this in windoze, it would look like this:

    Star Trek
          |
          |--------->Voyager
                          |
                          |---------->Season 1


    and

    Star Trek
          |
          |----------Fan Collective
                            |
                            |-----------------Alternative Realities
    Hal
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    I am really beginning to understand the frustration of some users on this board, when we have to argue about things like this.


    Then why argue, just lock your titles and get over it. There will never be a consensus for situations like this, nor will there ever be a rule for every possible situation that comes up.
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