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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
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Personally, I'm for removing the role when there is a group divider, like the divider rule says.
I could be misreading this rule, but I can't find a note saying not to add individual roles in groups?
Here are the rules that apply:
Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".
Also use Group dividers for crew teams.
So, whether the puppeteers, or for that matter any groups, appear with the cast or crew, you remove the roles and use the group divider(s). Without Invelos clarification, that's my take on it. If that's not correct, I will stop contributing the ones with dividers and keep them local. Yes, but that doesn't say to leave the role field blank. | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting mreeder50:
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Quoting Corne:
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Personally, I'm for removing the role when there is a group divider, like the divider rule says.
I could be misreading this rule, but I can't find a note saying not to add individual roles in groups?
Here are the rules that apply:
Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".
Also use Group dividers for crew teams.
So, whether the puppeteers, or for that matter any groups, appear with the cast or crew, you remove the roles and use the group divider(s). Without Invelos clarification, that's my take on it. If that's not correct, I will stop contributing the ones with dividers and keep them local.
Yes, but that doesn't say to leave the role field blank. What would be the purpose of the dividers where all the roles were the same, if not to eliminate the need for repeated roles, like the actual rolling credits? Like I said, if I'm not using them for their intended purpose, I will stop contributing cast and crew with dividers and keep them local. I absolutely love having them. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | I thought that the group divider has been introduced especially for credits like:
The Doe Family (Group title)
Fred (role)
Wilma (role)
Pebbles (role)
ILM (Group title)
Visual Effects (role)
etc. | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting mreeder50:
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Quoting Corne:
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Personally, I'm for removing the role when there is a group divider, like the divider rule says.
I could be misreading this rule, but I can't find a note saying not to add individual roles in groups?
Here are the rules that apply:
Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".
Also use Group dividers for crew teams.
So, whether the puppeteers, or for that matter any groups, appear with the cast or crew, you remove the roles and use the group divider(s). Without Invelos clarification, that's my take on it. If that's not correct, I will stop contributing the ones with dividers and keep them local.
Yes, but that doesn't say to leave the role field blank. The rules says exactly as credited in the credits. So that means if it is something like... Cops (Group Divider) Actor NameActor NameActor NameActor NameThen you do not use individual roles If the credits say something like... Cops (Group Divider) Actor Name as Officer Jones Actor Name as Officer Smith Actor Name as Officer Murphy Actor Name as Officer Johnson Then you use both group divider and roles. As for the question in the OP... Since we still have the rule that says to append (puppeteer) to the role that is what has to be done... even if the role is blank it still needs to be appended to it. | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Quoting Corne:
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Personally, I'm for removing the role when there is a group divider, like the divider rule says.
I could be misreading this rule, but I can't find a note saying not to add individual roles in groups?
Here are the rules that apply:
Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".
Also use Group dividers for crew teams.
So, whether the puppeteers, or for that matter any groups, appear with the cast or crew, you remove the roles and use the group divider(s). Without Invelos clarification, that's my take on it. If that's not correct, I will stop contributing the ones with dividers and keep them local.
Yes, but that doesn't say to leave the role field blank.
The rules says exactly as credited in the credits. So that means if it is something like...
Cops (Group Divider)
Actor Name
Actor Name
Actor Name
Actor Name
Then you do not use individual roles
If the credits say something like...
Cops (Group Divider)
Actor Name as Officer Jones
Actor Name as Officer Smith
Actor Name as Officer Murphy
Actor Name as Officer Johnson
Then you use both group divider and roles.
As for the question in the OP... Since we still have the rule that says to append (puppeteer) to the role that is what has to be done... even if the role is blank it still needs to be appended to it. If there is not any role, then there is not a role to append to. Therefore no (puppeteer). | | | Jim
More than I need, but not as many as I want! |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eaglejd: Quote:
If there is not any role, then there is not a role to append to.
Therefore no (puppeteer). Of course there is a Role, it is simply a Group Role. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
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If there is not any role, then there is not a role to append to.
Therefore no (puppeteer).
Of course there is a Role, it is simply a Group Role. Going by that logic, you should append to the Group Role  . | | | Jim
More than I need, but not as many as I want! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yup... the role is the group divider... is even pulled to show up as role when you double click the name in the program.
I for one will vote no to not appending (Puppeteer) in the role as long as that rule is there (or until Ken says otherwise). | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Appending means to add... so even if the actual role is blank... you still need to add per the rules the way I read it. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 270 |
| | Posted: | | | | I always thought it was redudent to have a role Puppeteer and to append (puppeteer) to it.
I believe the intent of the rule was if the role was like Joe Blow or Godzilla then appending (puppeteer) to it makes cense, but appending to Pupeteer does not make cense. | | | Jim
More than I need, but not as many as I want! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules do not make that clarification... so we go by what the Rules say... not what we think it should mean (unless Ken clarifies of course). In my eyes it is no different then adding Voice to the "Voice of" roles (even before the checkbox). | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
Quoting mreeder50:
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Quoting Corne:
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Personally, I'm for removing the role when there is a group divider, like the divider rule says.
I could be misreading this rule, but I can't find a note saying not to add individual roles in groups?
Here are the rules that apply:
Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".
Also use Group dividers for crew teams.
So, whether the puppeteers, or for that matter any groups, appear with the cast or crew, you remove the roles and use the group divider(s). Without Invelos clarification, that's my take on it. If that's not correct, I will stop contributing the ones with dividers and keep them local.
Yes, but that doesn't say to leave the role field blank. True, but the functionality has removed the need to enter the role into that field. The biggest complaint about episode dividers, and the reason the roles were added individually, is that the divider wasn't visible...as a role...in the actor filmography window (the window that comes up when you double click on an actor). The new group dividers are visible in that screen, so the need for individual roles is eliminated. Why create that functionality if we are supposed to add the individual role as well? @ mreeder50 - Based on my understanding of this feature, you are doing it exactly right. If you aren't, there are a lot of us right there with you. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Quoting Corne:
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Personally, I'm for removing the role when there is a group divider, like the divider rule says.
I could be misreading this rule, but I can't find a note saying not to add individual roles in groups?
Here are the rules that apply:
Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".
Also use Group dividers for crew teams.
So, whether the puppeteers, or for that matter any groups, appear with the cast or crew, you remove the roles and use the group divider(s). Without Invelos clarification, that's my take on it. If that's not correct, I will stop contributing the ones with dividers and keep them local.
Yes, but that doesn't say to leave the role field blank.
The rules says exactly as credited in the credits. So that means if it is something like...
Cops (Group Divider)
Actor Name
Actor Name
Actor Name
Actor Name
Then you do not use individual roles
If the credits say something like...
Cops (Group Divider)
Actor Name as Officer Jones
Actor Name as Officer Smith
Actor Name as Officer Murphy
Actor Name as Officer Johnson
Then you use both group divider and roles.
As for the question in the OP... Since we still have the rule that says to append (puppeteer) to the role that is what has to be done... even if the role is blank it still needs to be appended to it. This is the way I meant: Cops (Group Divider) Actor Name Actor Name Actor Name Actor Name Cops (Group Divider) Actor Name as Officer Jones Actor Name as Officer Smith Actor Name as Officer Murphy Actor Name as Officer Johnson At least this is the way I am doing it and I like it this way. If this was not the intention, I have no problem keeping it local. I will suspend contributions that use group dividers until we get a ruling from Ken.  | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
At least this is the way I am doing it and I like it this way. If this was not the intention, I have no problem keeping it local. I will suspend contributions that use group dividers until we get a ruling from Ken. No need to suspend contributions. As I explained above, you are doing it exactly right. Every contribution I have seen, that has converted to or is using the new dividers, is doing it the same way you are. If you are wrong, we are all wrong, but I don't believe we are. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Corne:
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Quoting Corne:
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Quoting mreeder50:
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Personally, I'm for removing the role when there is a group divider, like the divider rule says.
I could be misreading this rule, but I can't find a note saying not to add individual roles in groups?
Here are the rules that apply:
Use Group dividers to designate cast grouped in the credits such as "Soldiers" or "Additional Cast".
Also use Group dividers for crew teams.
So, whether the puppeteers, or for that matter any groups, appear with the cast or crew, you remove the roles and use the group divider(s). Without Invelos clarification, that's my take on it. If that's not correct, I will stop contributing the ones with dividers and keep them local.
Yes, but that doesn't say to leave the role field blank.
True, but the functionality has removed the need to enter the role into that field.
The biggest complaint about episode dividers, and the reason the roles were added individually, is that the divider wasn't visible...as a role...in the actor filmography window (the window that comes up when you double click on an actor). The new group dividers are visible in that screen, so the need for individual roles is eliminated. Why create that functionality if we are supposed to add the individual role as well?
@ mreeder50 - Based on my understanding of this feature, you are doing it exactly right. If you aren't, there are a lot of us right there with you. Thanks for clearing that. I didn't add group dividers for credits that are credited together as one yet. I mean these one's: Cops (Group Divider) Actor Name Actor Name Actor Name Actor Name I wasn't really sure whether it is allowed to leave the individual role fields blank or that we should add each role as for example 'Cop'. | | | | Cor |
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