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TV series disc ID: by disc or by season? |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting whispering: Quote:
I think the reason for that is (that you disagree) you dont realise that people that have child profiles ALSO have a parent profile (In this case the parent is just one step higher in the hierarchy), just one with less info (which we, the child profiles users strip locally to satisfy the needs of the single profile users). So either way the parent exists. No, I do realise the parent profile (for the megaset) exists. Which data should be in that profile is unclear - the rules say it CAN be set up as a box set, which would indeed imply stripping most film-related data. But the word "can" also implies this doesn't have to be done - in which case the megaset profile would contain all data and would not have any child profiles at all (box set = combination of parent profile and child profiles, right?). | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Perhaps it's useful to clarify my position using some concrete real-life examples from my own collection.
Case 1: EAN 5050582239614: UK profile for A Touch of Frost, Series 1-5 Box Set.
This is a megaset containing 5 individually packages series (or seasons, in US terms), each carrying their own EAN.
What's in the database is an almost empty parent profile for the megaset and child profiles (some more complete than others) for the individual series packages, so the box set rule has been applied here.
As the individual series/season packages have their own EAN, it is optional to create disc-level profiles by Disc ID. So far, this has not been done, but it would be perfectly legitimate. The disc-level profiles would then become grandchild profiles of the megaset parent profile.
If the individual series/season packages would not have their own EAN, then there would IMO be no other option within the Box Set concept than to profile them by the first Disc ID. And by lack of a third identifier (other than UPC/EAN and Disc ID), creating disc-level profiles would be impossible.
If the Box Set rule would not be applied, then the megaset profile would contain all data and would not have child profiles of any kind at all.
Case 2: UPC 024543409229: US Profile for M*A*S*H: The Martinis & Medicine Collection
This is a megaset containing 36 individual discs, without any packaging of individual seasons.
What's in the database is an almost empty parent profile for the megaset and disc-level profiles as child profiles.
IMO sets like these are not covered in the rules. The existing rule says "In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile." Since the individual discs do not contain "Complete TV Series" and they are not packaged together in individual season sets, we have no way to "treat each series like a single film" and the rule cannot be applied.
BTW: I agree with the way this set has been set up in the database. |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's the problem with that suggestion: The martinis and medicine collections uses the same discs as the individual M*A*S*H seasons. The early season were out years earlier. Are you seriously claiming that that M*A*S*H Season 1 disc 1 should be changed, four years after the fact when it's in thousands of collections to include the info for all of season one? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | My take on this is that if the individual seasons within the "Complete Collection" of a TV series do not have their own UPCs in that set, then the seasons within the "Complete Collection" should not be profiled at all, just the children.
Disc IDs should be used to profile individual discs, not groups of discs.
This would require a change to the Rules, since today it is a free-for-all. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Here's the problem with that suggestion: The martinis and medicine collections uses the same discs as the individual M*A*S*H seasons. The early season were out years earlier. Are you seriously claiming that that M*A*S*H Season 1 disc 1 should be changed, four years after the fact when it's in thousands of collections to include the info for all of season one? Not at all, Ace. I said I agreed with the way it was set up. I also said there is no way to "treat each series like a single film" and concluded that therefore the rule we were discussing in this thread can not be applied. So I think you misunderstood me - we're in complete agreement on the M*A*S*H set. EDIT: if anything, you COULD argue that - since this is still a TV series - all data from the disc profiles should be copied to the parent profile as well. But personally, I can see no added value in doing so. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
My take on this is that if the individual seasons within the "Complete Collection" of a TV series do not have their own UPCs in that set, then the seasons within the "Complete Collection" should not be profiled at all, just the children.
Disc IDs should be used to profile individual discs, not groups of discs.
This would require a change to the Rules, since today it is a free-for-all. My understanding is that this is what the current rule was intended to mean. It just wasn't written well. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Also, it never says to create the season profiles by disc ID. It only says this for individual discs. Presumably, this rule is only talking about cases where the individual season sets are packaged together, UPC and all. You are forgetting this line in the main set of rules, "The standard rules do apply for these special cases; the sections clarify specific ways the rules apply to box sets and television series on DVD." Since the standard rules do apply, per the standard rules, "If a title does not have a UPC, then add the title by Disc ID." Since we have to create season profiles, if they do not have a UPC, we have to created them using the Disc ID. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
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| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Exactly.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
My take on this is that if the individual seasons within the "Complete Collection" of a TV series do not have their own UPCs in that set, then the seasons within the "Complete Collection" should not be profiled at all, just the children.
Disc IDs should be used to profile individual discs, not groups of discs.
This would require a change to the Rules, since today it is a free-for-all.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's basically out of date, we used it back before Ken allowed disc level profiling of TV seasons. This allowed us to profile complete series like "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" where the first disc from each season was used to profile that season for the complete series. Since these were the same disc ID that were used in the retail season sets and since the season sets came out before the complete series set. The disc IDs from those seasons are now profiled like all other TV seasons with disc level profiles. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
| | Registered: March 20, 2007 |  Posts: 56 |
| | Posted: | | | | Does anyone know the current state of this issue? I am currently creating profiles for individual discs of Gilmore Girls based on the complete season sets. Unfortunately, the first disc is already assigned to the complete collection. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Nothing has changed since Ken's last comment on the subject. Which was... Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Ken,
I do have one question that hopefully you can advise us on.
We have instances where there is a conflict between using the disc ID of the first disc in a single season TV season for the "child profile" just for the first disc in that season, and that same disc ID is needed to profile the entire season when that season is a child of a "Complete Series" of a TV show.
Can you provide some guidance on this please?
My initial thought is that in either case, disc-level profiles should have content only from that disc. How often does this occur? Since we don't have grandchild profiles at the moment, how do you enter them currently. | | | | Pete |
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