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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,372 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
So, the place, where he is credited (only sound credit, on set production, post production), defines how sound recordist is entered into the database. And that is where you loose people like me. The alien's way seems to make a lot of sense |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: I don't even worry about it. If the film credit matches the profiler credit, I enter it. Based on what I have seen in contributions recently, more and more people are doing the same thing. I have to agree, the logic is flawless Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | I think we record the credits as they are in the movie on the DVD. We are not supposed to check up on these people to find out what job they actually did, if any. I suspect many credited ... Producers (fill in Associate, Assistant, whatever), for example, just sit around on the set. | | | Hans |
| Registered: June 22, 2007 | Posts: 89 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: When the sound recordist is used as an equivalent to the production sound mixer (usually UK), he is usually credited near the camera and boom operator and we enter him as a direct translation of production sound mixer. When the sound recordist is in the post production team (usually US and sometimes UK), he is credited near the sound editors and re-recording mixers and we enter him not at all. When the sound recordist is the only sound credit (usually older films), we enter him as sound.
So, the place, where he is credited (only sound credit, on set production, post production), defines how sound recordist is entered into the database. Exactly, RHo. That's the best way to deal with those confusing sound credits. For all those people who are either not sure if and where to contribute a member of the sound crew or do not want to be bothered by all this sound stuff: No one is forced to enter data into the sound category. Better not to submit any data than the wrong data. |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting schaumi: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: When the sound recordist is used as an equivalent to the production sound mixer (usually UK), he is usually credited near the camera and boom operator and we enter him as a direct translation of production sound mixer. When the sound recordist is in the post production team (usually US and sometimes UK), he is credited near the sound editors and re-recording mixers and we enter him not at all. When the sound recordist is the only sound credit (usually older films), we enter him as sound.
So, the place, where he is credited (only sound credit, on set production, post production), defines how sound recordist is entered into the database.
Exactly, RHo. That's the best way to deal with those confusing sound credits. For all those people who are either not sure if and where to contribute a member of the sound crew or do not want to be bothered by all this sound stuff: No one is forced to enter data into the sound category. Better not to submit any data than the wrong data. So, the people who have been entering crew credits, and following the letter of the rules, should just stop!!! Somehow, I don't think so. And, what with all the profiles already in the DB. We already have enough to argue about, than to try to make a decision on a credit based upon a location somewhere in the crew credits. "If it's here, then it's okay, but if it's there then it is not". I guess it would be ok to drive more of us "Hobbyists" away. | | | Last edited: by CharlieM |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting schaumi: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: When the sound recordist is used as an equivalent to the production sound mixer (usually UK), he is usually credited near the camera and boom operator and we enter him as a direct translation of production sound mixer. When the sound recordist is in the post production team (usually US and sometimes UK), he is credited near the sound editors and re-recording mixers and we enter him not at all. When the sound recordist is the only sound credit (usually older films), we enter him as sound.
So, the place, where he is credited (only sound credit, on set production, post production), defines how sound recordist is entered into the database.
Exactly, RHo. That's the best way to deal with those confusing sound credits. For all those people who are either not sure if and where to contribute a member of the sound crew or do not want to be bothered by all this sound stuff: No one is forced to enter data into the sound category. Better not to submit any data than the wrong data. That sums up nicely how I do it as of late. Then again, I have been doing profiles for quite a few UK productions recently, and thus - with thanks to schaumi for his earlier explanations - have become familiar with the UK direct translations for sound credits. I would not have been able to do this properly let's say three years ago. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: So, the people who have been entering crew credits, and following the letter of the rules, should just stop!!!
Somehow, I don't think so. And, what with all the profiles already in the DB. We already have enough to argue about, than to try to make a decision on a credit based upon a location somewhere in the crew credits. "If it's here, then it's okay, but if it's there then it is not". I guess it would be ok to drive more of us "Hobbyists" away. Couldn't have said it better myself. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote: Quoting schaumi:
Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: When the sound recordist is used as an equivalent to the production sound mixer (usually UK), he is usually credited near the camera and boom operator and we enter him as a direct translation of production sound mixer. When the sound recordist is in the post production team (usually US and sometimes UK), he is credited near the sound editors and re-recording mixers and we enter him not at all. When the sound recordist is the only sound credit (usually older films), we enter him as sound.
So, the place, where he is credited (only sound credit, on set production, post production), defines how sound recordist is entered into the database.
Exactly, RHo. That's the best way to deal with those confusing sound credits. For all those people who are either not sure if and where to contribute a member of the sound crew or do not want to be bothered by all this sound stuff: No one is forced to enter data into the sound category. Better not to submit any data than the wrong data. So, the people who have been entering crew credits, and following the letter of the rules, should just stop!!!
Somehow, I don't think so. And, what with all the profiles already in the DB. We already have enough to argue about, than to try to make a decision on a credit based upon a location somewhere in the crew credits. "If it's here, then it's okay, but if it's there then it is not". I guess it would be ok to drive more of us "Hobbyists" away. My explanation how to contribute "sound recordist" is following the rules. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,934 |
| Posted: | | | | Here is the sound section (I checked the proposed rules also) According to the rules, the way they are written, a sound recordist gets sound credit |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Correct, charlie and big ^5. Just follow the rules, gentlemen. So be it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: My explanation how to contribute "sound recordist" is following the rules. Actually, it isn't. Per the crew chart, a credit of 'sound recordist' is entered using the Profiler credit of 'Sound'. Edit: I see CharlieM went with the old adage, "A picture is worth a thousand words." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: My explanation how to contribute "sound recordist" is following the rules. Actually, it isn't. Per the crew chart, a credit of 'sound recordist' is entered using the Profiler credit of 'Sound'.
Edit: I see CharlieM went with the old adage, "A picture is worth a thousand words." Now, rho, you have a DEFINITIVE answer | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: My explanation how to contribute "sound recordist" is following the rules. Actually, it isn't. Per the crew chart, a credit of 'sound recordist' is entered using the Profiler credit of 'Sound'. Or it can be entered as a direct UK translation of the US production sound mixer. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Now, rho, you have a DEFINITIVE answer I did not pose any question. But you have one adressed to schaumi: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Quoting schaumi:
Quote: Very good explanation T!M. Let me add that especially in U.K. productions the term Sound Recordist is sometimes even nowadays in use as equivalent to the Production Sound Mixer, while in actual U.S. movies Sound Recordist is never the PSM but just a studio sound technician who is not meant to be submitted in the profile.
Is there any way to determine when that might be true or NOT, Schaumi. (...) And I have given an answer to that question. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Well then for both of you, Rho. We have a defintion for Sound Recordist. I know it's a PITA, but you simply can't have two different definitions without causing mass confusion. One the US and one for the UK, except for one small problem, people in the US buy UK movies and vice versa.<shrugs> It's just not feasible, we have definition already and it has been there for FIVE years, just go with the flow. I appreciate the issue from your viewpoint but...it is what it is.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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