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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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I agree with you Pongo, absolutely. The problem is that many of our friendsare more interested in interpretation than in saying Ok we here is something that needs a Rules mod. End result...arguments.
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Box sets are rated in the UK at least. That's why the rule was written the way it is. That input came from our UK committee members. Duh! I believe I said that or alluded to it in an earlier post.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
Usually, the only time the "Box Set" has a rating is when all the movies are rated the same. In Germany and the United Kingdom every box set must have a rating by law. The box set rating is the highest rating of all the content (in Germany including all bonus material and trailers) in those cases. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr Pavlov: Quote:
(...) Movies are rated NOT Boxsets,(...) This may be true in the USA. But in a big part of Europe the actual package (box set) has to be rated by law. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
Basically, the set in question is the two films Gettysburg & Gods and Generals packaged together. Gettysburg is rated PG, Gods and Generals PG-13. Both ratings appear on the package for the respective movies. The box set/package itself does not have a rating.
I have another set like this, which packages the movies Alien Nation and Enemy Mine. The parent (package) profile is listed as NR, while the child profiles are R and PG-13 respectively. This was how I had set up a revised profile of the Gettysburg/Gods and Generals set. I got one yes vote and one no vote, for the reason given above, so I've withdraw the contribution as of right now, and wanted to see what others thought before resubmitting because either way it needs to change, since the current profile lists the rating as PG, and that is not the higher of the two ratings - I just want to know which way I should set it up.
Maybe I should have set up a poll ... Cass: I think in General you simply think that films get ratings, typically not boxsets, not unlike Paramount Pictures makes MOVIES, Paramount Home Entertainment prints cases and Boxsets. I am not sure that I agree with the premise that just because they have chosen to print a brief summary of the contents which may include the rating data appropriate for a film and locality makes the Boxset rated, I read it as the contents are rated. But I am also aware that sometimes Boxsets are indeed rated. Ratings are also a function of time, for example Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom today carries an MPAA rating of PG, however when the film was released in 1984 a great brouhaha arose between the MPAA and Lucasfilm, they wanted to give it an R rating, they would up creating the PG-13 rating, with TOD being the very first film to carry that rating. My question about rating of the boxset would be simply are they actually rating the Boxset because of it s contents or are they simply supplying the ratings data from the films, if the latter I wouldn't worry about it but....that's me. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Dr Pavlov:
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(...) Movies are rated NOT Boxsets,(...)
This may be true in the USA. But in a big part of Europe the actual package (box set) has to be rated by law. Duh! Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
What do you do in the case of a dual-movie pack where the two films have different ratings and both ratings are listed on the package? I would say it depends on how the information is displayed - if it's blatantly obvious the ratings refer only to the films (perhaps it's inside an info box about the titles) then I would agree the box gets an NR. However, if both ratings are simply printed as part of the general info on the cover and it's not obvious what they refer to, then I'd put the highest in as the boxset rating. Does that make sense? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting Danae Cassandra:
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What do you do in the case of a dual-movie pack where the two films have different ratings and both ratings are listed on the package?
I would say it depends on how the information is displayed - if it's blatantly obvious the ratings refer only to the films (perhaps it's inside an info box about the titles) then I would agree the box gets an NR.
However, if both ratings are simply printed as part of the general info on the cover and it's not obvious what they refer to, then I'd put the highest in as the boxset rating. Does that make sense? I'm not sure I'd give the box in question ( Gettysburg/Gods and Generals) an NR when the highest of the films' ratings is only PG-13. I think one important reason for including the rating in the first place is to give parents some idea what the content of a film(s) is. By giving this particular set an NR we aren't giving as much help to parents as if we left it with the highest rating of the two films. I'm torn, though, and can see merits either way. BTW and OT: [pan review] Gods and Generals is one of the worst movies I've had the misfortune of seeing. It was so biased toward the Southern Cause and Stonewall Jackson (in particular) that the title would more appropriately be "A God, The General." Gettysburg was fairly even-handed and close to the novel, but G&G followed only one of the generals in the book (Jackson) virtually ignoring the others. I saw it at an invitational screening, which had NO intermission, and, frankly, "free" was paying too much for the "privilege" of sitting through that dreck. [/pan review] | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
I'm not sure I'd give the box in question (Gettysburg/Gods and Generals) an NR when the highest of the films' ratings is only PG-13. I think one important reason for including the rating in the first place is to give parents some idea what the content of a film(s) is. By giving this particular set an NR we aren't giving as much help to parents as if we left it with the highest rating of the two films. I'm torn, though, and can see merits either way. While I can respect the parent argument, we drain most all of the detail information out of a box set parent profile anyway. Beyond that, if a parent is concerned, then they are concerned about the rating of the particular movie they are considering watching. Not that it sits in the same box as a movie with a higher rating. No matter how you cut it, the parent would have to either go to the disk itself or the child profile. I say this as a parent of a nine-year-old who cares very much about ratings. It's just that knowing there's an R rated movie in a box of 5 films doesn't help me to decide if my kid can watch a particular film. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Quoting kdh1949:
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I'm not sure I'd give the box in question (Gettysburg/Gods and Generals) an NR when the highest of the films' ratings is only PG-13. I think one important reason for including the rating in the first place is to give parents some idea what the content of a film(s) is. By giving this particular set an NR we aren't giving as much help to parents as if we left it with the highest rating of the two films. I'm torn, though, and can see merits either way.
While I can respect the parent argument, we drain most all of the detail information out of a box set parent profile anyway. Beyond that, if a parent is concerned, then they are concerned about the rating of the particular movie they are considering watching. Not that it sits in the same box as a movie with a higher rating. No matter how you cut it, the parent would have to either go to the disk itself or the child profile.
I say this as a parent of a nine-year-old who cares very much about ratings. It's just that knowing there's an R rated movie in a box of 5 films doesn't help me to decide if my kid can watch a particular film. As a childless old fart of 60, I'll defer to your knowledge in these matters. I really don't have a dog in this hunt one way or another. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 663 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was the one who voted no, since the box set rules say, "If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult." Nowhere does it say to make the boxset NR when one movie has a different rating. My suggestion to the user was to use the higher of the two ratings, which was PG-13. | | | We're on a mission from God.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eagle61397: Quote:
I was the one who voted no, since the box set rules say, "If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult." Nowhere does it say to make the boxset NR when one movie has a different rating. My suggestion to the user was to use the higher of the two ratings, which was PG-13. I think the issue is that, for the majority of region 1 releases, the box set doesn't actually have a rating. Now the individual contents do and they may all be listed on the box somewhere, but the set itself doesn't have an overall rating. Unlike some of our European users who have legal issues regarding a total box rating. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
Basically, the set in question is the two films Gettysburg & Gods and Generals packaged together. Gettysburg is rated PG, Gods and Generals PG-13. Both ratings appear on the package for the respective movies. The box set/package itself does not have a rating. This is the key information...at least for me. The ratings apply to the individual films, not the set itself. That being the case, the box should have a rating of NR. There is no provision, in the rules, for picking one of the two. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting CharlieM:
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Usually, the only time the "Box Set" has a rating is when all the movies are rated the same.
In Germany and the United Kingdom every box set must have a rating by law. The box set rating is the highest rating of all the content (in Germany including all bonus material and trailers) in those cases. I must apologize, I was referring to the US style. But the rules also apply to our friends across the pond, It does state that if the box set has a rating then use it. Apparently, your laws, in a lot of Europe, require that the box set has the highest rating of the films, Therefore the boxset would have a rating. Per the rules this is what you would use. I would imagine that this rating is predominate on thee package itself. In the US, most of our boxsets do not have a rating, but they do list the ratings of the individual films. Therefor our sets are technically nor rated. We would use the NR rating designator. |
| | Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting eagle61397: Quote:
I was the one who voted no, since the box set rules say, "If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult." Nowhere does it say to make the boxset NR when one movie has a different rating. My suggestion to the user was to use the higher of the two ratings, which was PG-13. Yup, that's why I withdrew the contribution - and am asking around. I wanted to get a feel for how others would have set it up, since previously I only had my opinion and yours on how it might be best set up, and that was a 50-50 toss up.  | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Danae Cassandra:
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Basically, the set in question is the two films Gettysburg & Gods and Generals packaged together. Gettysburg is rated PG, Gods and Generals PG-13. Both ratings appear on the package for the respective movies. The box set/package itself does not have a rating.
This is the key information...at least for me. The ratings apply to the individual films, not the set itself. That being the case, the box should have a rating of NR. There is no provision, in the rules, for picking one of the two. Agree. I fully understand the parents' desire to profile the highest rating and I wouldn't object to a rule change in that direction. For instance, it could be worded like this (the proposed new sentence in bold): "If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception s: If the individual ratings are printed on the box, use the highest rating; If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult.". But that's not the rule as of yet, as far as I understand it. Of course that's just how I read the rule, while the Screener could decide for an altogether different interpretation! | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | This has come up again and I'm still a bit confused and the rules don't help. So there is a contribution up for the DC Universe box set (containing 30 animated movies, along with 1 bonus disc). The movies range from PG to PG13 to R. I always assumed (and I could very well be wrong, misinterpreting the rules) in this kind of thing, NR was the one, but the rules also say to use the highest rating, so the contribution changed it to R.
Now, in the long run, for me anyway, it's not a big deal as I can lock in the NR, but the rules aren't exactly clear because in one part it does say to use the highest rating, but in the box set section, says "If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult". The box set itself doesn't have a rating, just listing all the ratings from the movies included. |
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