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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Tim:
You made some Contributions I see, I see you referring to correcting a typo not establishing ANY Coimmon Name for any body.
I see this
adding Jacqueline Bisset with as credited as Jacky Bisset.
adding Jean-Paul Belmondo with as credited as Jean Paul Belmondo
Removing the bonus TV-Movie Credits, these are not part of the main feature but, a bonus feature.
Where did you get it from, out of hat or thin air. That is NOT documentation, Tim. That si not even CLOSE. You might as well use a dartboard.
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Yer, i am angry, i am furious at the self-righteous attitude taken by some here, you included, Tim, while you are filling the database with garbage, and pretending you are following the Rules.
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|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | My, that was helpful... NOT! I couldn't care less what the notes say: we're not creating a database of notes here, we're collecting DVD data. The fact of the matter remains that entries like "Jacqueline Bisset [Jacky Bisset]" and "Jean-Paul Belmondo [Jean Paul Belmondo]" are absolutely correct. I know they are, you know they are, and they're also supported by rather overwhelming CLT results. If there's an incorrect common name, by all means, go ahead and remove it. But don't mess up correct data! |
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| | Posted: | | | | Tim: You didn't cite the CLT in your notes, you didn't cite ANYTHING. You just pulled it out of you %^& Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | BTW, Tim this is not about me. This about UNDOCUMENTED data which has found its way into the database and the way some people want to deal with it. It's all well and good for you to follow the Rules, except when you don't. HGad you cited the CLT in your notes, at least, we wouldn't have to have this discussion, I don't invent data or imagine it. I deal with the film's credits. Absolutely sloppy, Tim on your part, if it is about anyone in particular it is about your sloppy notes.
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | The fact remains that it's correct data, Skip. I know it, you know it, and the voters know it. There is NOTHING to gain by what you're doing - not for yourself, nor for anyone else. It's just ping-ponging - if, heaven forbid, this would be accepted somehow, then all those entries will have to be fixed right back afterwards. How is ping-ponging like that useful to anyone? It's not. Especially in light of the fact that you know full well that these entries are correct: what is the "significant improvement" you're adding to the database by eliminating correct data?
And for the record, before you start directing all your anger at me: the notes show that the Jacqueline Bisset and Jean-Paul Belmondo common names were (correctly) added by Tracer, not by me. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is not correct data since it has not been even minimally documeted, Tim. If you would like to resubmit it with PROPER documentation or if you had politely supplied me wit documentation instead of coping your attitude. Yoiu were wrong and it's that simple.
WRONG, Tim
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | This was YOUR error not mine, sir. Learn from it.
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
It is not correct data since it has not been even minimally documeted, Tim. If you would like to resubmit it with PROPER documentation or if you had politely supplied me wit documentation instead of coping your attitude. Yoiu were wrong and it's that simple.
WRONG, Tim Well, I wasn't wrong because I didn't add these entries. Tracer, who DID add them, wasn't wrong either: the entries are correct. That's the basis here: we're after correct data. Well, the profile HAS correct data. You're trying to change it into incorrect data. That's decidedly NOT an improvement. It's that simple. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
This was YOUR error not mine, sir. Learn from it. Once again: I didn't make any error, so I'm afraid there's little to learn. I trust your incorrect update will be declined, and maybe you can learn something from that yourself. Like how replacing correct data with incorrect data is a bad thing. |
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| | Posted: | | | | You are correct and I apologize, it WAS Tracer who did not properly document the data, sorry about that. But it doesn't change that data was not even remotely documented...zip, zero, nada.Defending an alleged sacred cow, Tim is not going to get my cooperation. There are ways to do it, but not by defending garbage.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am at a loss here, surely if a voter is unhappy with anothers notes and contributions the time to complain is through the voting system at time of submission.
Unless of course they are certain the entries are incorrect, to remove them at a later date as a point of principal is illogical?
Skip, are you saying that the profile changes (not the lack of documentation) Tracer made are wrong, as I voted no to your subsequent changes before reading this thread, as I was certain Jacqueline Bisset played Giovanna Goodthighs in Casino Royale (http://www.jacquelinebissetfans.org/bis/casino.html)
I don't want to vote no if you are certain your changes are correct? | | |  |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
You are correct and I apologize, it WAS Tracer who did not properly document the data, sorry about that. But it doesn't change that data was not even remotely documented...zip, zero, nada.Defending an alleged sacred cow, Tim is not going to get my cooperation. There are ways to do it, but not by defending garbage. Thanks, but Tracer wasn't wrong either. That update was entire correct, it was evaluated by both the voters and the screeners, and all parties involved decided that it was good, valuable data, and as such, it was subsequently approved. As it should be. Eliminating these correct entries serves no purpose, and like back then, I expect that the voting system will work a similar magic to deal with this contribution. |
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| | Posted: | | | | Ricjie:
PERSONAL knowledge aside. What i know is that bad data got into ther database, why is it bad data, because it was not properly documented, the data correctness or lackj thereof is not the issue. The issue that it is bad data due to lack of documentation, as such it needs to be restored to default as should all such cases, it can then be PROPERLY documented and resubmitted. Like I told Ha, i am not about turning Profiler into a clone of IMDb, if you are then go use them.. Proper documentation is required per the Rules and that does not include the use of hat or a dartboard, Tracer should have at the barest minimum included results from the CLT. Because of the prominence of Bissett and Belmondo, I wuld ot have argued beyond that, but CLT results at least. My position, richie is very simple and easy to understand, and I am furious.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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You are correct and I apologize, it WAS Tracer who did not properly document the data, sorry about that. But it doesn't change that data was not even remotely documented...zip, zero, nada.Defending an alleged sacred cow, Tim is not going to get my cooperation. There are ways to do it, but not by defending garbage.
Thanks, but Tracer wasn't wrong either. That update was entire correct, it was evaluated by both the voters and the screeners, and all parties involved decided that it was good, valuable data, and as such, it was subsequently approved. As it should be. Eliminating these correct entries serves no purpose, and like back then, I expect that the voting system will work a similar magic to deal with this contribution. Yes Tim, Tracer was wrong and if you voted to suppprt it then you too were wrong. This probably one of those cases where i was one of the few or even only NO vote, while everyone else is perfectly willing to turn Profiler into IMDb-America. Tracer was wron, you are wrong for trying to defend garabge and i don't want to discuss it any more...I want to calm down. It means there are lots more users than I thought that I have to watch closely, so I will,<shrugs> Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Removing 100% correct data based solely on your principal that it is undocumented will get a "No" vote from me every time.
Show me that the data is wrong, and I'll vote "Yes" for removal.
It's really quite simple! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip
Instead of removing correct data with no documentation, why don't you just document it?
Or do you not wish to have a link between Jacky Bisset and Jacqueline Bisset in your local database? Seems crazy when you know they are the same person.
Plenty of undocumented data gets added by "New contribution" or the initial data load. New documentation is better than removal.
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