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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | The correct runtime is the one encoded on the disc and will be rounded to the nearest minute.
If the runtime is 1:23:45 then it's 84 minutes for Profiler purposes, no matter whether the cover says 80 or 85 minutes.
Any contribution that changes the runtime with the explanation that the runtime was taken from the cover would most likely get a NO from me. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: June 5, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Daddy DVD: Quote:
In addition a feature could be added which calculated the original time (by subtracting 4%) and showing this between brackets behind the DVD runtime. I think you actually mean adding time, not subtracting it, as movies sped-up for PAL are shorter so the original length should be longer  yeah, I guessed that's probably what you meant anyway, just picking up on it  While on the subject of PAL runtimes, does anyone have any hard, technical information on HD playback mechanisms? It's something I've been pondering, but haven't found anything in the way of hard, technical information. Basically: most HD films are encoded at the "true" 23.976fps, and if your TV and player support 24fps playback, you get true playback speed  nice. For those living in 30/60Hz regions, I can see standard 3:2 pulldown being used to display it (although at 60i, I guess). For those of us in 25/50Hz regions, I've read that we also get the standard 3:2 pulldown treatment, and get playback at 60i too. That is because all HDTV's support 25/30/50/60, so we all support the same framerates  This then means that runtimes are consistent as well, because PAL speedup is not used in realtime to boost 24fps to 25fps. And this follows what I have observed so far. All of this is on hear-say type comments, so I would like some hard facts, if anyone has anything I know there are other things to discuss, like the various encodings of 60i and 50i programs (I've heard that "PAL" 50i gets frame-rate converted to 60i for encoding  but that may just be for 30/60Hz territories? Although this may be wrong information, as the specs. I've seen for Blu-ray state 59.94i & 50i support  then again, everything I've read could be wrong ... argh!). | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here | | | | Last edited: by Lewpy |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewpy: Quote:
Quoting Daddy DVD:
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In addition a feature could be added which calculated the original time (by subtracting 4%) and showing this between brackets behind the DVD runtime. I think you actually mean adding time, not subtracting it, as movies sped-up for PAL are shorter so the original length should be longer yeah, I guessed that's probably what you meant anyway, just picking up on it Yes, you're correct. My bad.  For example when a movie is 1:30:00 PAL it would originally be 90 + 4% = 1:33:36. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | I voted yes. I don't see many pingpong contributions in the dutch locality on this. But if I would download a profile with a runtime containing seconds, at least I would be quite sure the contributor actually verified the runtime from the disc and not just the backcover. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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I have a hard time believing that the average user cares about being that accurate.
Have you asked them?
Are you sure?
Or it that just your opinion on the subject? Why the attitude? Of course I didn't ask them. Of course it is just my opinion, which is why I use the phrase, "I have a hard time believing..." Quote:
How about looking at this sort of suggestion from the viewpoint of those that DO or MIGHT want the feature? I'm sorry, I didn't realize that I had to look at it from your point of view. I thought this was a place for people to make feature requests so that other people could comment on them. I guess I was wrong.  Quote:
As for the ping-ponging - I see it a LOT. Not everyone reads the rules as carefully as forum members. A lot of contributions I see are taking information from the box. You are confusing ping-ponging...which is a profile being changed over and over again...with someone trying to change a profile without reading the rules. Of course this happens and changing the run time, from the nearest minute to the nearest second, isn't going to stop that. People who base their contribution on the case are still going to attempt to make those changes. Quote:
Anyway - it's no biggie. I simply thought it might be something people would want and it's not a feature request I have seen come up. Your posts suggest otherwise. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Pantheon:
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Quoting Unicus69:
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I have a hard time believing that the average user cares about being that accurate.
Have you asked them?
Are you sure?
Or it that just your opinion on the subject?
Why the attitude? Of course I didn't ask them. Of course it is just my opinion, which is why I use the phrase, "I have a hard time believing..."
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How about looking at this sort of suggestion from the viewpoint of those that DO or MIGHT want the feature?
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that I had to look at it from your point of view. I thought this was a place for people to make feature requests so that other people could comment on them. I guess I was wrong.
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As for the ping-ponging - I see it a LOT. Not everyone reads the rules as carefully as forum members. A lot of contributions I see are taking information from the box.
You are confusing ping-ponging...which is a profile being changed over and over again...with someone trying to change a profile without reading the rules. Of course this happens and changing the run time, from the nearest minute to the nearest second, isn't going to stop that. People who base their contribution on the case are still going to attempt to make those changes.
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Anyway - it's no biggie. I simply thought it might be something people would want and it's not a feature request I have seen come up.
Your posts suggest otherwise. Sorry if that came across as having attitude. Not my intention. And...it really isn't a biggie. I made a suggestion I thought other might also support; but I actually don't care that much. I just occasionally attempt to think of a feature that might be useful that I have not seen requested before. | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
You are confusing ping-ponging...which is a profile being changed over and over again...with someone trying to change a profile without reading the rules. Of course this happens and changing the run time, from the nearest minute to the nearest second, isn't going to stop that. People who base their contribution on the case are still going to attempt to make those change. Completely successful attempt to make me look stupid. Job well done. Bye. | | | | Last edited: by Pantheon |
| | Registered: June 5, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 93 |
| | Posted: | | | | Updating my previous post about framerates, here's some data I quickly grabbed THE DARK KNIGHT - current cinema film release Quote:
VIDEO:
Codec Bitrate Description
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VC-1 Video 23999 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3
AUDIO:
Codec Language Bitrate Description
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Dolby Digital Audio English 640 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
Dolby TrueHD Audio English 1505 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1505 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio German 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Italian 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Portuguese 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps TORCHWOOD_S1_D1_UK - recent UK TV production Quote:
VIDEO:
Codec Bitrate Description
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VC-1 Video 20409 kbps 1080i / 29.970 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3
AUDIO:
Codec Language Bitrate Description
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DTS-HD Audio English 2046 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2046 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps ROBINHOOD1 - recent UK TV co-production Quote:
VIDEO:
Codec Bitrate Description
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MPEG-4 AVC Video 18991 kbps 1080i / 29.970 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
AUDIO:
Codec Language Bitrate Description
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Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps So film is correctly 23.976 fps, while UK PAL productions are actually encoded at 30 frames per second (60 fields per second) interlaced. I suspect they were recorded at 25fps (50fields/s), but would need to check. Anyone know the reason for the frame-rate conversion? Required for better compatibility globally? Aside: is there a way to change the font to a non-proportional option, such as Courier? Would make the text aligned then Aside 2: while thinking about forum formatting, I've noticed [for ages] that the bullet list tag doesn't appear to work | | | | You can download higher resolution versions of any of my cover scans from here |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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You are confusing ping-ponging...which is a profile being changed over and over again...with someone trying to change a profile without reading the rules. Of course this happens and changing the run time, from the nearest minute to the nearest second, isn't going to stop that. People who base their contribution on the case are still going to attempt to make those change.
Completely successful attempt to make me look stupid.
Job well done.
Bye. I was not attempting to make you look stupid. I was attempting to clarify the issue. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 453 |
| | Posted: | | | | I voted yes, it makes perfect sense to me to be accurate, we take the time to insert the disk in the drive for other things , why not take the extra minute and check the runntime? Plus it would help with tv series box sets. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mike: Quote:
I voted yes, it makes perfect sense to me to be accurate, we take the time to insert the disk in the drive for other things , why not take the extra minute and check the runntime? I always check the runtime (with DVD Decrypter). I still don't see the point of having it second-based. Quote:
Plus it would help with tv series box sets. How? Instead of knowing that a season has a length of 980 or 537 minutes you'd know that it actually has 980:12 or 536:33. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 453 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting Mike:
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I voted yes, it makes perfect sense to me to be accurate, we take the time to insert the disk in the drive for other things , why not take the extra minute and check the runntime?
I always check the runtime (with DVD Decrypter). I still don't see the point of having it second-based.
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Plus it would help with tv series box sets.
How? Instead of knowing that a season has a length of 980 or 537 minutes you'd know that it actually has 980:12 or 536:33. Maybe your right, maybe we just need better rules on how to round up or down, for instance for me if ites below .50 seconds I round down. I just know that alot of times the box is wrong. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I would also like to s Ken come up with a way to deal with the multiple runtimes which we see with some of the multi-version films.
Skip This, however, is a feature I would like to see. I have quite a few DVDs that contain the theatrical version and the director's cut. It would be nice to be able to record both running times. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mike: Quote:
for instance for me if ites below .50 seconds I round down Out of curiosity: Why? Why is for you 90m:45s -> 90m more correct than 91m? And for contribution purposes it would be incorrect. The contribution rules are quite clear on that matter Quote:
Use the Running time specified on the DVD cover unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the actual Running time. When contributing an accurate, DVD-based, time from the DVD, round down from 29 seconds and up from 30 seconds in the nearest minute. Include your verification method in your Contribution Notes. For instance, note that a given movie has an actual Running time of 119: 37, Running time would be 120 even if the case said 119 or 121. | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 453 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting Mike:
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for instance for me if ites below .50 seconds I round down
Out of curiosity: Why? Why is for you 90m:45s -> 90m more correct than 91m?
And for contribution purposes it would be incorrect. The contribution rules are quite clear on that matter
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Use the Running time specified on the DVD cover unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the actual Running time. When contributing an accurate, DVD-based, time from the DVD, round down from 29 seconds and up from 30 seconds in the nearest minute. Include your verification method in your Contribution Notes. For instance, note that a given movie has an actual Running time of 119: 37, Running time would be 120 even if the case said 119 or 121. That is what I meant .30 or thirty seconds, sometimes here in the states for instance an employer would use .50 in place of 30 minutes. Sorry |
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