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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | To be honest with you I don't know. Whenever I had a question like this I PMed Gerri.... but that was before the Contact Me link. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
To be honest with you I don't know. Whenever I had a question like this I PMed Gerri.... but that was before the Contact Me link. I'll try that. Thanks again. |
| | Registered: May 9, 2008 | | Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I agree with Skip here. Maybe the rule is written a little inconveniently for this issue. But if they do not remain a boxset when you unwrap it I can not see it being a boxset. I agree with Skip and Pete on this. I do not think generic shrink wrapped package deals should be done as a box set. I bought a number of what vendors call "Packages" or "Brick Sets", usually when a real box set or complete collection is released, that are just original single releases wrapped together to clear out of inventory at a lower price. I wound not consider these box sets even though the "package" are sold under one UPC. That said, under the current rules' statement of " Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind" it literally can be read as covering shrink wrap. I would support having the rules clarified to not cover releases packaged together like that as a boxset. Tom |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
The solo KFP DVD is entered in the database by its UPC. The other title is entered in the database by its Disc ID. They are sold together under another UPC. No, they aren't. They are shrink wrapped together and sold using the Kung Fu Panda UPC. As I explained in the original thread for this release, this isn't a 'real' box set as the single release will use the same UPC. It is simply two DVDs bundled together. You could enter it as a Bonus Film set, but to enter it as a Box Set will mess up the profile for the vast majority of users. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tkinnen: Quote:
That said, under the current rules' statement of "Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind" it literally can be read as covering shrink wrap. I would support having the rules clarified to not cover releases packaged together like that as a boxset. Ah, but there is the rub. These are not 'held together in a package of some kind'. Once you remove the shrink wrap, they are individual discs. Meaning, you can't put them back into the package. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting CalebAndCo:
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The solo KFP DVD is entered in the database by its UPC. The other title is entered in the database by its Disc ID. They are sold together under another UPC.
No, they aren't. They are shrink wrapped together and sold using the Kung Fu Panda UPC. As I explained in the original thread for this release, this isn't a 'real' box set as the single release will use the same UPC. It is simply two DVDs bundled together. You could enter it as a Bonus Film set, but to enter it as a Box Set will mess up the profile for the vast majority of users. I'm sorry, but you're mistaken--at least partially. They were sold together under at least one completely different UPC. DVDEmpire lists 2: 097361-397849, the one I listed above, and 097361-399041 The individual movie DVD UPC is 097361-392844. It is possible that the two-pack was sold somewhere under that UPC, but I am unaware of it. Your quote of the rules is taken out of context. It is a description of one type of box set. Quoting Rules: Quote:
The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
• Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
• Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
• Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD. Note that it says "The main examples are:". That clearly means that the list is neither exclusive nor all-encompassing. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
The rules do not say that a boxset must have unified packaging.
Your personal preference would be to list the discs separately, and that's perfectly valid. I was going to do it that way until I rethought it a bit. Having the overwrap UPC entered as a boxset gives the user the freedom to enter the discs separately if that is their preference.
But personal preference (yours nor mine) do not control profile submissions. The rules control as interpreted by Invelos. You are technically correct, however when you enter it as a boxset, you should also create the child profiles for each movie using the UPC from each of the individual cases not the Disc ID. EDIT: I take it 'The Secrets of the Furious Five' keepcase does not have a UPC on it...therefore the only way to enter it is by Disc ID. Kung Fu Panda has been released separately under its individual UPC but I can find no online retailer that carries 'The Secrets of the Furious Five' as a separate item. Given that, it probably should be a boxset, even though I personally would enter it as two stand alone profiles in my local database. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I could be wrong... but I believe 'The Secrets of the Furious Five' is a Walmart exclusive disc... that is the only place I have seen it at least | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I could be wrong... but I believe 'The Secrets of the Furious Five' is a Walmart exclusive disc... that is the only place I have seen it at least I don't think it's a Wal-Mart exclusive. The set is available at least through Deepdiscount, Buy.com, CD Universe, Best Buy, Barnes and Noble, DVD Empire and DVD Box Office. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | OK... I never thought of looking online!  It is just the only place I seen it locally. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
EDIT: I take it 'The Secrets of the Furious Five' keepcase does not have a UPC on it...therefore the only way to enter it is by Disc ID. Correct. EDIT: Didn't want to repeat Hal9g | | | | Last edited: by CalebAndCo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
I'm sorry, but you're mistaken--at least partially. They were sold together under at least one completely different UPC. DVDEmpire lists 2:
097361-397849, the one I listed above, and
097361-399041
The individual movie DVD UPC is 097361-392844. It is possible that the two-pack was sold somewhere under that UPC, but I am unaware of it. It would seem that DVDEmpire is the exception rather than the rule. The brick and mortar stores, at least the ones I checked...and the one I purchased mine from...did not add a UPC to the package. It was sold using 097361-392844 which, as you pointed out, is the UPC from the individual release. Quote:
Your quote of the rules is taken out of context. It is a description of one type of box set.
Quoting Rules:
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The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
• Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
• Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
• Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD.
Note that it says "The main examples are:". That clearly means that the list is neither exclusive nor all-encompassing. You are correct, but we have never set these types of releases up as Box Sets. The main reason for that is, once you remove the shrink wrap, any relationship between the DVDs is lost...including the UPC if there is one. In addition, you will notice that all the examples have one thing in common, that thing is that they are always together...either in box that holds all the cases, in a single case that holds all the discs or on the same disc. This is more like a 'Bonus Feature Film' than a Box Set...sort of a 'companion movie bonus'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting CalebAndCo:
Quote:
I'm sorry, but you're mistaken--at least partially. They were sold together under at least one completely different UPC. DVDEmpire lists 2:
097361-397849, the one I listed above, and
097361-399041
The individual movie DVD UPC is 097361-392844. It is possible that the two-pack was sold somewhere under that UPC, but I am unaware of it.
It would seem that DVDEmpire is the exception rather than the rule. The brick and mortar stores, at least the ones I checked...and the one I purchased mine from...did not add a UPC to the package. It was sold using 097361-392844 which, as you pointed out, is the UPC from the individual release.
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Your quote of the rules is taken out of context. It is a description of one type of box set.
Quoting Rules:
Quote:
The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
• Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
• Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
• Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD.
Note that it says "The main examples are:". That clearly means that the list is neither exclusive nor all-encompassing.
You are correct, but we have never set these types of releases up as Box Sets. The main reason for that is, once you remove the shrink wrap, any relationship between the DVDs is lost...including the UPC if there is one. In addition, you will notice that all the examples have one thing in common, that thing is that they are always together...either in box that holds all the cases, in a single case that holds all the discs or on the same disc.
This is more like a 'Bonus Feature Film' than a Box Set...sort of a 'companion movie bonus'. DeepDiscount, Buy.com and DVD Box Office all carry the 2-pak under its own unique UPC (097361399041). I don't know how any retailer can sell both the standalone Kung Fu Panda and the 2-pak using the same UPC. How would they keep their inventory straight or know what to charge for each version? They are not priced the same! Using the same UPC for both releases makes no sense. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
DeepDiscount, Buy.com and DVD Box Office all carry the 2-pak under its own unique UPC (097361399041). Maybe it is an online retailer thing. Quote:
I don't know how any retailer can sell both the standalone Kung Fu Panda and the 2-pak using the same UPC. I am more than happy to scan the back of my package as proof if you would like...I still haven't opened it...or you can take my word for it. Either way, there isn't a UPC sticker on the shrink wrap. The only UPC is the one for Kung Fu Panda. Quote:
How would they keep their inventory straight or know what to charge for each version? They are not priced the same! Using the same UPC for both releases makes no sense. The ads on TV, as well as the print ads, advertised it as a bonus film. Buy Kung Fu Panda and, for a limited time, get the Furious Five DVD for free. The price for the set was $15.99, which is the 'week of release' price for single DVD releases. It may not make sense, but it is what it is. Edit: I just went to BestBuy.com and they still have both versions on their site. While the SRPs are different, the actual price is exactly the same...$15.99. They do, however, have different SKU numbers. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Curious. They're not the same price at Deepdiscount or DVD Box Office or Barnes and Noble or Buy.com or CD Universe. But it is at Amazon. Perhaps it was a retail thing when it was released, and now some of the online e-tailers are trying to make an extra buck off of it!  | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | That wouldn't surprise me. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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