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I never said that the definition of 'Voice' was strictly spoken word.

I said for the purposes of DVDP, the use of the (voice) tag should be limited to dialog only, unless of course, a non-dialog (voice) credit is listed in the Cast section of the actual film credits.

Do you understand the difference?   

Yes, and I didn't meant you said that. I just do not agree to use (voice) for dialog only.

I agree!!

There are many films where people provide only vocalizations for creatures or animals. Such as Congo, with those providing Gorilla sounds. Perhaps in other movies with Gorillas/Apes such as Gorillas in the Mist or Greystoke.

But getting back to Predator. I'm sure he provides all the clicks & chatter that Predator makes. But the Predator also screams in pain in at least one scene. Plus in the finale he actually speaks to Arnold right before he activates the self-destruct. Is it ever made clear who provides the voice for Predator in that scene, is it Kevin Peter Hall or was it Peter Cullen?

My understanding is that Kevin was just the man in the suit.

So wouldn't the person who provides the vocalization for the Predator be someone who helps bring the character to life on screen. The sounds the Predator makes is as much as the character as how he moves.

I have to say, martin that so far I find hal's argument to be more convincing. An interview I don't consider to be relevant in ANY case. My only concern is that can a convincing case be built one way or the other, based strictly on the data.

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We don't use very much third party sources, and we aren't talking about an interview on the disc. That would be OK. The idea is take as much DIRECT data as possible and minimize data that comes from somewhere or something else.

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Can't follow you Hal? Here you say no for this reason:

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The film makers placed this credit in the crew section

and in this thread you say yes (and with the same condition)

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Can't follow you Hal? Here you say no for this reason:

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The film makers placed this credit in the crew section

and in this thread you say yes (and with the same condition)

In the first instance, the person does not appear on screen.  In the second, they do appear on screen.

Quite simple actually.

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Why do we want to second guess them? 

Who's we?

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Why do you want to second guess the film makers? 

I do not want to second guess the film makers. I just think we should be able to add well known voice actor Peter Cullen to our cast lists. And although it would best to add him as Creature Vocals (uncredited) (voice), it will not be correct because he's not uncredited. So that leaves us with the way he's credited and that's Vocalizations (voice).

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Why do you want to second guess the film makers? 

I do not want to second guess the film makers. I just think we should be able to add well known voice actor Peter Cullen to our cast lists. And although it would best to add him as Creature Vocals (uncredited) (voice), it will not be correct because he's not uncredited. So that leaves us with the way he's credited and that's Vocalizations (voice).

You can add data of any kind, anywhere you wish and it whatever format makes you happy, Martin, LOCALLY.

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