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An entire contribution is declined if one item is wrong? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | As for the BY question. This was a brilliant suggestion by Hal, however having no real world with the data in advance, it hadn't occurred to anyone that some BY data might not be available. It did not take long to figure out. What Ken will do in the future is unknown, we may stay with some modified version of BY, such as use date of first appearance if you cannot document BY, or he may move in another direction. I think the modified BY is moire likely but...for now.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | A key point is never to mention IMDB in any way, shape or form in your notes. I've had contributions rejected where I had a note saying something like "cast and crew as credited; current cast profile is an IMDB clone and incorrect." The reviewers see IMDB (or the bots do before the reviewers ever see it) and it goes into the poop chute. | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | One way to learn a lot about the thought process used when Gerri screens submissions is to read through her posting history as a very large portion of her posts deal with contributions. FYI: Gerri is one of the owners of Invelos and one of her responsibilities is to screen submissions. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Look at the bulk rejection from another viewpoint, as well. The users should monitor the votes they have on a Contribution, giving them the opportunity to fix any problems which have been caught. If the user isn't interested in fixing errors then....Hmmmmm. Sometimes we all get trapped by the Contribution from hell, you fix a problem and somebody spots another one, fix that one and....<whew>, but accurate data for all is important, I fix problems and I expect other users to fix theirs. BTW, it is not a popularity vote or a majority vote, sometimes only one user will spot a valid problem that needs fixing, so don';t ignore a problem because ONE user has voted No, if it is valid FIX IT. We have some users who wind up gives us BAD DATYA because they will ignore NO votes and they manage to get their garbage into the database. buit it is also not uncommon for one vote to get a contribution declined.
If the count 35-1 and the one No vote is valid the Contribution should be DECLINED, so fix it, don't make someone elsecome back and fix something you should have. That is of no benefit to the community and only serves t annoy other users.
Skip Again, there were no votes. Just a decline. If there had been votes, I absolutely would have changed what was necessary. So I'm clear, I understand why the IMDB listing wasn't accepted, but I didn't understand why the entire ticket was declined (which I understand now, I just don't agree with it.  ) Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
I'm not entirely sure. I think it's mostly to distance DVD Profiler from IMDb, as using them as a data source is illegal unless you license that data. That doesn't mean we couldn't just have used roman numerals as long as we didn't blindly follow IMDb's numbers. Meaning the two Solomons you linked to could've been John Solomon (I) and John Solomon (II). TBH, that is probably more workable than the DOB. And, yet, another question Is there a way to see what the person in the DB is credited in within the Profiler software if I don't own the movie, or is that online only? | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
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| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting gardibolt: Quote:
A key point is never to mention IMDB in any way, shape or form in your notes. I've had contributions rejected where I had a note saying something like "cast and crew as credited; current cast profile is an IMDB clone and incorrect." The reviewers see IMDB (or the bots do before the reviewers ever see it) and it goes into the poop chute. Not necessarily, IMDB was mention in one of my contribution last week (I've decided to contribute again  ) and the contribution was approved.  |
| | Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | FYI, there are no automated declines. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
Is there a way to see what the person in the DB is credited in within the Profiler software if I don't own the movie, or is that online only? You want the Credit Lookup Tool. You can't parse the names by BY so all people with the same name are rolled together. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
FYI, there are no automated declines. Oh, I didn't even think that. I was just saying there were no votes. tweeter, thanks, that's what I kind of figured, but was hoping there was a way to do it within the software. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
FYI, there are no automated declines. IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!  | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote:
tweeter, thanks, that's what I kind of figured, but was hoping there was a way to do it within the software. The cast/crew databases on your computer do not contain the whole database, just those people currently in your profiles (or in profiles you removed - at least until you do the next DB repair). So only the films related to the person can be seen off-line. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Ken Cole:
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FYI, there are no automated declines.
IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!! Ok, Dr. Franckenstein.  Now he probably wants a customized Capital One card. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,414 |
| | Posted: | | | | Uh oh, I woke up The Ken.....  | | | | "This movie has warped my fragile little mind." |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Astrakan: Quote:
Quoting Alien Redrum:
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Just out of curiosity, why the birth years instead of IMDB's naming convention?
I'm not entirely sure. I think it's mostly to distance DVD Profiler from IMDb, as using them as a data source is illegal unless you license that data. That doesn't mean we couldn't just have used roman numerals as long as we didn't blindly follow IMDb's numbers. Meaning the two Solomons you linked to could've been John Solomon (I) and John Solomon (II).
Not sure why it was decided to use BYs instead. The logic behind the decision is probably available in some thread somewhere. 
KM One reason for not using IMDB's naming convention (and probably the most important reason) is that IMDB has a copyright to the way it displays data. While IMDB can't copyright the data, it CAN copyright the way it displays that data. So for Profiler to use IMDB's naming convention, Invelos would have to enter into an agreement with IMDB -- and that probably would involve some fee paid to IMDB. Since Ken wouldn't want to infringe on IMDB's copyright, he came up with a different way to distinguish between two same-named individuals. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: August 12, 2008 | | Posts: 32 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote:
I don't know if it would even be possible, but I would like to have the ability to vote yes/no on specific parts of a contribution. I agree, it would be great if we could do this. | | | | ob |
| | Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote:
One reason for not using IMDB's naming convention (and probably the most important reason) is that IMDB has a copyright to the way it displays data. Do you have a source for this? Cause I really have a hard time believing they've been able to copyright the use of roman numerals in conjunction with film actors and crew members. Cause that's all I'm talking about. I'm not even saying to use the same roman numerals, just roman numerals in general. IMDb uses I to denote the currently active Harrison Ford, and II to denote the one who was active in the early 1900's. You're saying we couldn't use II for the currently active and I for the older guy? I would think as long as we have a different policy when assigning the numbers we'd be in the clear. Maybe chronological by earliest appearance, which indeed would give the older Harrison Ford a I instead of a II. Note: I'm not advocating a switch. I'm just engaging in a purely academic discussion at this point. KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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