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Of course it tells us who wrote the play - if anyone else was involved, don't you think they'd have been mentioned too?
Tim Rice wrote the words, Andrew Lloyd Webber wrote the music, nobody else wrote anything else.

How do you know that from the credit?

Oh I don't know - just a random guess, but the words: "Lyrics by Tim Rice, Music by Andrew Lloyd Webber" were a tiny bit of a clue!

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Of course it tells us who wrote the play - if anyone else was involved, don't you think they'd have been mentioned too?
Tim Rice wrote the words, Andrew Lloyd Webber wrote the music, nobody else wrote anything else.

How do you know that from the credit?

Oh I don't know - just a random guess, but the words: "Lyrics by Tim Rice, Music by Andrew Lloyd Webber" were a tiny bit of a clue!

Cute answer.

But it does not answer the question.  How do you know someone else did not "write" the play and then had Webber and Rice do the music and lyrics?

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Cute answer.

But it does not answer the question.  How do you know someone else did not "write" the play and then had Webber and Rice do the music and lyrics?

Apologies, but it just seems so obvious to me.
Two people are credited with writing the play. Why are you assuming that a third person is involved just because one is credited with lyrics, the other with music?
Maybe it's because I've seen Evita - take away the music & lyrics and there isn't much left.
But I still don't understand on this insistence that someone else must have been involved? We don't assume that other writers may be involved in other situations, why this one?

Look to other Rice / Webber collaborations  such as Jesus Christ Superstar.  The are a Dual team and work together with lyrics and music. Both should get OMB .

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Evita is entirely sung. The lyrics of the musical are called "the book". That is the writing credit for a musical play.

DVDP lists in the program that OMB is used for (book, poem, song, etc). In this context, an OMB for Tim Rice is appropriate.

Just for arguments sake, if you were profiling the play itself, would you give any of these folks a "Writing" credit?

I would not, based on the actual credits. 

TR would get a songwriter credit; ALW would get a composer credit; the rest would get producer credits.

If it's not a "Writer" credit for the play, how can it be a "writer" credit (OMB is a "writer" credit) for the movie? 

Outside knowledge about "the lyrics of the musical are called a "book", and that is a "writing credit for the play" don;t really matter for DVDP.  we can only go by what the on-screen credit says.  None of those are "Writing" credits.

If it doesn't really matter, why are you asking me what I would do for a play?  Yes, I would credit Tim Rice with the screenwriter credit if I were profiling the play. He wrote the equivalent of a screenplay for the stage production of Evita. Those are lyrics of the continuous songs. He won the "Book (Musical)" Tony award, which is the equivalent to screenwriting for musical plays.

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Cute answer.

But it does not answer the question.  How do you know someone else did not "write" the play and then had Webber and Rice do the music and lyrics?

Apologies, but it just seems so obvious to me.
Two people are credited with writing the play. Why are you assuming that a third person is involved just because one is credited with lyrics, the other with music?
Maybe it's because I've seen Evita - take away the music & lyrics and there isn't much left.
But I still don't understand on this insistence that someone else must have been involved? We don't assume that other writers may be involved in other situations, why this one?

Don't misunderstand me.  I am not insisting that anyone else was involved.  All I am saying is that looking at the credit, I don't know if anyone else was involved.  Looking at the credit, I don't know that Webber and Rice wrote the entire play from beginning to end. The only thing that I know for sure is that lyrics were written by Rice and music by Webber.  Those are not "writing" or "authoring" credits as far as DVDP is concerned.  They are "music" credits.  For me, looking at those credits with no other knowledge, I do not see any writer being credited.

Knowing what I know now, I understand why you would want to give them  an OMB credit, but that is not information that can be derived from the on screen credits themselves.

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I'll give a better example:
If the credit said: based on the song, lyrics by john doe, music by john smith
would you give them OMB credits? Cos I would.

Yes, they are clearly the authors of the "song" based on that credit.

Then simply replace "song" with "musical play". It's the same situation.

If the credit said, "Based on a Musical Play by ALW and TR" then I would agree with you.

That's not what it says.

That's why I was very careful with my example. The wording is exactly the same except I replaced "musical play" with "song". Why would we suddenly have to have "by" just because it says "musical play"?

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All I am saying is that looking at the credit, I don't know if anyone else was involved.  Looking at the credit, I don't know that Webber and Rice wrote the entire play from beginning to end.

Why do the fact that they are music credits make a difference - it's a musical play. And remember, for OMB we're not necessarily looking for a traditional "writing" credit, we're only looking for people who created the "original material" - there's no mention in the rules that the material has to be in textual form.

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Of course it tells us who wrote the play - if anyone else was involved, don't you think they'd have been mentioned too?
Tim Rice wrote the words, Andrew Lloyd Webber wrote the music, nobody else wrote anything else.

It doesn't matter what I think.  It only matters what the credit says.  In this case it does not say they wrote the musical play.  Only that one wrote some music and one wrote some lyrics.