I have to agree with Goblins here, Tim. You make a very bold declaration of fact, what qualities or knowledge do you possess that allows that. Giga specifically stated they were in the middle of the CREW section.

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But they are NOT listed as part of the cast, Tim. They are specifically listed within the crew, yet you state definitively that they are cast. You do not express that as your opinion, but as FACT.So I want to know what special knowledge you possess that permits you to state that as a FACT as opposed to your OPINION. Opinion I won't argue with, but a statement of fact...back it up.

I guess what i am really saying is you do NOT and cannot possess such knowledge, they are listed within the crew. If are making an assumption then what is that based on since the evidence runs counter to your assumption, which appears to be based on NOTHING more than the use of THREE words, Special Appearances By, did you view the film and can supply documentation that these people actually APPEARED in the movie. Special Appearance could mean a lot of different things, just as the earliuer example involved MUSIC performances not an physical appearance. So, unless you can provide documentation, your assumptoin is fundamentally flawed

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T!M,
not to make a too fine point of it, but remember these "special appearances" were credited within the crew-section and are mostly known for crew-jobs (see my example in my earlier post). So how exactly do you come to the conclusion that they are to be seen as actors in this movie?

As I wrote before: A screenshot or a timecode would be helpful. Otherwise I would give a "No"-vote on such a contribution.

I get the feeling this is a common occurrence with Farrelly Brother films. They'll get friends and crew to appear in the film as well as work on it. After all, when they're actually filming a lot of the crew won't have anything to do but will still be on set, so why not have them stand in front of camera and save money on extras! 

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Based on the words in the credit, it seems like more than just an assumption that they actually were members of the cast in addition to any "crew" duties they may have performed and should be listed with the cast.

I have to agree with Hal.  Assuming that they are given this credit because they came to do some, unpaid, crew job doesn't make any sense...at least not to me. 

Quoting skipnet50:

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Then Special Appearance by Music credits don't make sense to you.
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Actually, special appearance by music credits make perfect sense to me...but that isn't what these are. 

OK, in order to get an "appearance" credit, you have to appear in the medium involved. That is, if we're talking about a film you have to be seen or heard. Nothing else would warrant an "appearance" credit.
It gets complicated when you start to use one medium within another. Such as the first example: songs in a film. In that context, because the "appearance" credit occurs within the song credit, it's talking about appearing in the song, not the film.

So if the "appearance" credit is by itself, then yes these people appear in the film and we can add them as cast.
But if the "appearance" credit is within the credit of another medium: a pre-recorded song or a video clip for example, then it only refers to that medium and should not be added as cast.
You have to be careful about songs though, as live performances (within a film) could also get an "appears by" credit and depending on how it is written, it may refer to the film or the song.

In this specific example, I trust Giga not to show a credit out of context, and so I would agree to their addition as credited cast.

Quoting northbloke:

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OK, in order to get an "appearance" credit, you have to appear in the medium involved. That is, if we're talking about a film you have to be seen or heard. Nothing else would warrant an "appearance" credit.
It gets complicated when you start to use one medium within another. Such as the first example: songs in a film. In that context, because the "appearance" credit occurs within the song credit, it's talking about appearing in the song, not the film.

So if the "appearance" credit is by itself, then yes these people appear in the film and we can add them as cast.
But if the "appearance" credit is within the credit of another medium: a pre-recorded song or a video clip for example, then it only refers to that medium and should not be added as cast.
You have to be careful about songs though, as live performances (within a film) could also get an "appears by" credit and depending on how it is written, it may refer to the film or the song.

In this specific example, I trust Giga not to show a credit out of context, and so I would agree to their addition as credited cast.

Spot on!