I'm following the system by the word, using the credited data. But the field names in DVD Profiler want "First Name", "Middle Name", "Last Name" and give to possibility to add some additions to the name or change something if the actor is credited with a different name or the name has additions. And a military rank or academic grade is not a name or part of it, it's an addition. So I do not need to hammer, because I just follow the rules.

If you just want credited data, then we just need one field where we put in all information like with the stage names like "Cedric the Entertainer".

That's an old canard, and doesn't nbeed to be brought up here. What does need to happen is for you to follow the Rules and the system as it is now, not as you want it to be. We already have too many users doing that, you will only succeed at this point in your name being remembered and your Contributions being looked at with an extremely critical eye, always on the lookout for another personal interpretation.

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I'm following the system by the word, using the credited data. But the field names in DVD Profiler want "First Name", "Middle Name", "Last Name" and give to possibility to add some additions to the name or change something if the actor is credited with a different name or the name has additions. And a military rank or academic grade is not a name or part of it, it's an addition. So I do not need to hammer, because I just follow the rules.

I am sorry, but you are not following the system by the word as you are using the field names, without the rules, to justify your position.  For contribution purposes, you can't do that.  You need to follow the rules as well.

The rules tell us to enter the names exactly as they are in the credits.  While there is a provision in the crew section to leave out union/guild affiliations, there is no such provision for titles.

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I doubt very seriously that you know what is common use everywhere in the world.  Coming from a military family, here in the US, I can tell you that it is common.  The fact that you don't agree doesn't change that fact.

I doubt that it is common use around the world that the title belongs to the name. We would need an extra field for the titles and ranks to be added like it is in most forms you see on- and offline. If I order in the UK there is usually a special drop down box for the different titles like "Lord", "Sir", "Mr", "Mrs" etc.

And I personally don't know anybody who calls himself "Colonel X. Y. Z., ret" like my driving school examiner many years ago who happened to be in the German Bundeswehr with the rank of a colonel and doing examinations while retirement.

I believe it's like you say in the US, but the US is not the world.

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Has Sean Connery ever been credited as 'Sir Sean Connery'?

Not that I know, but this is his title and name. It it just an example to show you, that a title or rank must not be named and must not be used because it does not belong to the name.

It doesn't belong with the name because he is never credited with it.  For those that are, 'Sir John Gielgud' for example, it does belong there...in the profiles where he is credited with it.  At the moment, that is 36 titles (60 profiles).

Sean Connery was knighted in July 2000. Afair he did only one movie after that. Being a Scotsman who fights for the independence of Scotland from the United Kingdom I don't really think he is using that title anyway. But, being a knight is not like a rank in a job.

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Has Ben Kingsley ever been credited as 'Sir Ben Gingsley'?

Yes. At least in "Lucky Number Slevin", which I remember because I have seen it lately.

Since that is the case, we use the CLT to determine which is the most common form of his name.  According to the CLT his most common name, 13 vs 275, is 'Ben Kingsley'.

The CLT brings out the common name, which might not be the correct name. I realized that and I have to live with this inaccuracy. But this doesn't change anything in my opinion.

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As for Dale Dye, how is he listed in the credits?

As Dale Dye, Dale A. Dye, Capt. Dale A. Dye, Capt. Dale Dye USMC [ret.] and a few more. I must admit, credited with rank he mostly was tech. advisor.

If this is the case, and I don't know it to be but I do recognize that list from IMDb, then all those profiles need to be fixed.

All those profiles I know are correct with "Dale Dye" or credited as "Dale A. Dye", because that is his name.

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This is quite simple, if the actor chooses to leave his rank off of his credit, then we leave it off in profiler.  If he chooses to include it, then we include it.  This goes for 'Sir', 'President', 'Governor', 'Prime Minister', 'Reverend', etc.

I think, when the actor chooses to have his rank credited then we should credit it "credited as", because the rank is not part of the name.

What if this person only has one credit?  With all due respect, it doesn't make any sense to use credited as for a single credit.

It doesn't make any sense to me to count a rank which can change anytime to the name either. And you never know if that actor will be casted again and might have been promoted in the meantime.

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I'm following the system by the word, using the credited data. But the field names in DVD Profiler want "First Name", "Middle Name", "Last Name" and give to possibility to add some additions to the name or change something if the actor is credited with a different name or the name has additions. And a military rank or academic grade is not a name or part of it, it's an addition. So I do not need to hammer, because I just follow the rules.

I am sorry, but you are not following the system by the word as you are using the field names, without the rules, to justify your position.  For contribution purposes, you can't do that.  You need to follow the rules as well.

The rules tell us to enter the names exactly as they are in the credits.  While there is a provision in the crew section to leave out union/guild affiliations, there is no such provision for titles.

Sorry, but... My name is "Mik Star", my "MA" would never ever be part of my name. I would write it on my business cards, yes, but I don't want to be called "Mr. Mik Star, MA".

I have friends in the force, but they are not called "Searge" in the holidays at home. They are only addressed with the rank when on base on duty or on missions. If they sign documents, they perhaps add the rank after the name as addition, but it's not required.

So, please tell me exactly where the rules say, I have to enter titles into a name field! I can find that paragraph.

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Please do not tell me things I know!

I just wonder, why "Admiral" should be part of the name. I know that the database is not used like mostly all of us around would normally do and enter the Given Name into "First Name", the eventually Middel Name/Initial in the "Middle Name" field and the family name into "Last Name".

But I would never ever consider a title or rank to be part of the name. Credited or not. If I had such an entry I always used the credited as feature, and it always was accepted with 100% of the votes. But,... I must confess, they were all profiles for European media and common sense here is definatly that the rank or title does not belong to the name at all.

The most commonly used name in this matter could be "Thomas J. Cassidy" or "Thomas Cassidy" or T. J. Cassidy" (e.g. Thomas, because I don't know what T.J. stands for), but not "Admiral T. J. Cassidy".

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Please do not tell me things I know!

I just wonder, why "Admiral" should be part of the name. I know that the database is not used like mostly all of us around would normally do and enter the Given Name into "First Name", the eventually Middel Name/Initial in the "Middle Name" field and the family name into "Last Name".

But I would never ever consider a title or rank to be part of the name. Credited or not. If I had such an entry I always used the credited as feature, and it always was accepted with 100% of the votes. But,... I must confess, they were all profiles for European media and common sense here is definatly that the rank or title does not belong to the name.
The most commonly used name in this matter could be "Thomas J. Cassidy" or "Thomas Cassidy" or T. J. Cassidy" (e.g. Thomas, because I don't know what T.J. stands for), but not "Admiral T. J. Cassidy".

Why? because Ken and Gerri said so. That is the only reason we need. But yet you seem to continuously ignore the fact that this was shown to you multiple times that this was clarified by the owners of the online database. Since it is their database it is to be the way they want it. Just because something was accepted don't mean it is per rules. They do not have every title ever made to check these... they have to go by notes and votes. Because of this some things slips through that should not.

Yes... as their opinion is the only ones that matter when it comes to their database. Which the main online database is... their database.