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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | now i'm baffled | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Well, if the disc id is captured even though the contribution is declined, then the decline sends a very strange message. I'm obviously not going to make any more disc-id-only contributions since Invelos have now clearly indicated that they don't want them. Admittedly, it doesn't happen often that one finds an alternative disc id to a profile that is otherwise complete, so it may not be a big issue.
If, however, Ken really has a use for alternative disc ids, then this is counterproductive. <shrug> As well as I understand the frustration with a point such as this,, The principal applies when you buy a title of a DVD (Bull Durham Special Edition comes to mind).,, and the art work on the cover is TOTALLY different than the one in the data base., but you are stuck with that cover art UNLESS you change and then lock it off and don't contribute the title in question., same thing applies to this., If your Disc ID is different than the one contributed a few years back, it is either a re-release or the Disk stamping authoring from another DVDPlant producing Dvds is 'set' differantly.. Main point, "lock it off" and when you insert that DVD into your PC it will 'find the right title' of your Title and it shouldn't have to be contributed for all others of that same title.  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,672 |
| | Posted: | | | | Terry, Personally I don't care which disc id is in the database (or in my local, either, for that matter). For just about everything except disc id, it's the original release that should go into the main database. No question about that. For disc id, though, the rules state: Quote:
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it if you are doing a wider contribution, but don't make a specific contribution for this reason. All Disc IDs will be stored in the main database for a future development of DVD Profiler. I thought I was helping Ken to collect an alternate disc id. If I had found anything else in the profile that also needed updating, the contribution would have been 100% valid according to the rules. Now it was rejected since the profile (as far as I could tell) was already complete. It doesn't make any sense to me... | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Which is why I believe that rule should be removed all together. Not just if there is nothing more to do on the profile... but completely removed. Because there can also be times when the only other thing that can be done is something that someone is not comfortable doing. For example...
I personally am not comfortable doing Crew Credits or Studio info. What if I get an alternate disc ID and the only thing that needs updating is crew or studio info. I will not bother adding my alternate disc ID because I do not want to touch either of those fields just to add it.
But that being said... I personally can not justify breaking any of the rules... whether contributing or voting... so in my opinion this is a useless rule that needs to be completely removed. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wish Ken had participated in this discussion. Maybe there should be some other way to notify him if there are any variations of Disc IDs instead of using the Contribution process. There's really no reason to put a DiscID value up for a vote anyway. What would one be voting on? Either you have that DiscID or you don't. There's no way to validate it if your DVD has a different Disc ID, so what's the point in voting? Maybe Ken doesn't want the DiscID variants anymore. It's been a while since the rule was promulgated, and perhaps the "future development" mentioned in the rule has gone the way of the Dodo bird.  FWIW, I seldom check a disc id I get when I download a profile -- so I could have many variants in my collection and not know it. I have more than enough DVDs that have less than complete profiles to spend my time on -- so if I download a title that looks relatively complete -- and the contributor(s) is(are) someone whose history I depend on -- I go with what's in the main database. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | The disc ID variants are used currently. When adding DVDs by inserting them into the drive, the system uses all submitted disc IDs, not just those assigned to the downloaded profile, to identify the disc. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ken Cole: Quote:
The disc ID variants are used currently. When adding DVDs by inserting them into the drive, the system uses all submitted disc IDs, not just those assigned to the downloaded profile, to identify the disc. So the question is, did GSyren's submitted disc ID get recorded despite the submission being declined? Or do they only get recorded if the submission is accepted? KM | | | Tags, tags, bo bags, banana fana fo fags, mi my mo mags, TAGS!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree, Astra. And Gunnar's contribution should not have been declined. Did we capture the data or should Gunnar resubmit it.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm more confused than ever, now!  | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have contributed only the disc id several times because I couldn't find anything else that was missing or incorrect; darn those efficient and through contributors!  Of course there were "no" votes (which is correct per the rules) yet, without exception, the new disc id was accepted and entered into the database. I did note that I could not find anything else to correct which might or might not have made a difference. This kind of situation always reminds me of one of my father's favorite lines: "Don't confuse me with the facts!" |
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| Registered: March 10, 2007 | | Posts: 4,282 |
| | Posted: | | | | The disc ID data is merged only if the profile is accepted. | | | | Invelos Software, Inc. Representative |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sounds like GSryen should resubmit if he wants to, with a specific comment stating he couldn't find anything else on the profile to update, as Kathy suggests.
And those who believe this still breaks the rules should use the "neutral" option or find something for him to update! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Resubmit it, gunnar and I hope ken will override any No votes.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | ..and if it gets submitted and accepted.. can I ping pong it and resubmit the same title with my disc ID differnace?????????? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Very funny, terry....NOT!!!! That is also why i have repeatedly explained my inclusion of my particular disc ID data in my notes, so I don't have to wonder a year from now if mine is part of the system after you replaced it with a new verion, I can see that it is from my notes. Or are you saying that it is REALLY important to YOU that your data be displayed for the world to see.  Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
..and if it gets submitted and accepted.. can I ping pong it and resubmit the same title with my disc ID differnace?????????? If your disc ID is different to all the ones submitted so far, then yes - I'm guessing Ken would like to have all available IDs for each title. |
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