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Cedric (T)the Entertainer
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ninehours:

How is the name written on screen, exactly?


Cedric The Entertainer


Then I would enter it exactly as it is written, because the credit information is not entirely capitalized, so we are not supposed to use standard capitalization, as far as I understand from the Rule.
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Not realy, his performing as Cedric The Entertainer so this is his chosen stage name.
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To make things even more complicated: If his most credited name is Cedric “The Entertainer”, the quoted part should be in the middle as it would be a nickname because Cedric is his first name and his last name is Kyles.


where did you get Kyles from - we are supposed to use his most credited name - are you now trying to suggest that Cedric Kyles is his most credited name?

You should have clicked on the link. Anyway I said "If" and I didn't say we should enter his last name.
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Just to confuse things even more, his official web page list him as
Cedric The Entertainer
Cedric the Entertainer
- and -
Cedric ‘The Entertainer’
all on the same page... 
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Just to confuse things even more, his official web page list him as
Cedric The Entertainer
Cedric the Entertainer
- and -
Cedric ‘The Entertainer’
all on the same page... 


thats probably because the author of the web site doesn't have DVD Profiler.
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Wait till the next season of America's Got Talent comes out and see how they credit it. 
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I agree 100 %, a name has to be always capitalized.

The only trouble is that "the" isn't a name but a joining word.


In this context, the word 'the' is part of his stage name.  To be clear, as it is his stage name, it is a proper noun.  Standard capitalization rules require that all parts of a person's name are to be capitalized.
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A Google search on "stage name cedric the entertainer" reveals that "the" isn't commonly capitalized,
and the name is written that way on the list of stage names on Wikipedia.
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The only thing that proves is the people who entered those names did not follow standard capitalization rules.

Edit:  On second look, it doesn't even prove that as they did capitalize 'Jimmy The Robot', 'Larry The Cable Guy' & 'George 'The Animal' Steele'. 
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Edit:  On second look, it doesn't even prove that as they did capitalize 'Jimmy The Robot', 'Larry The Cable Guy' & 'George 'The Animal' Steele'. 

Jimmy The Robot and
Larry The Cable Guy are both written with "the" in lower case inside their links,
and the middle name of George "The Animal" Steele is quoted so this makes it a nickname.

Other examples are:
André_the_Giant
Murray_the_K
Sleek_the_Elite
Trugoy the Dove (member of the band "De La Soul")
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Doesn't change anything.  A name is a name, even if it is a stage name.  As such, per standard capitalization rules, each word is capitalized.  Just because some people on an internet sited didn't follow the rule doesn't make it any less of a rule.
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I often wonder if people actually read the links they post. 

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"The"


From the link above:  I think the only justification for uppercase "The" would be if it is part of a title. So The Joker might be the title of an issue or episode, but "the" is not part of the character's proper name, so should not be capitalized in ordinary use. --Blainster 07:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The part I bolded is true.  Which means when 'the' IS part of the proper name, it should be capitalized...which is what I said.

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When to capitalize "the" in proper names and titles?


There were 8 'user' answers to this question.  Only 3 of those addressed it's use in a 'proper name' and they said to capitalize it.

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Capitalization


This one does have a single sentence that counters my assertion:

In nearly all European languages, single-word proper nouns (including personal names) are capitalized, e.g., France, Moses. Multiple-word proper nouns usually follow rules like the traditional English rules for publication titles (see below), e.g., Robert the Bruce.

At the bottom of this article, there is a link to this site.  On that site it says:

Remember to capitalize the following:

all proper nouns (the first letter of a person's first, last and middle name)

I have found many other sites that say, basically, the same thing.  I guess you will have to decide, for yourself, which way you want to go.  I already know where I stand on it.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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I often wonder if people actually read the links they post. 

I read them. I just placed them here to give us some food for thought.
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I often wonder if people actually read the links they post. 

I read them. I just placed them here to give us some food for thought.


Ah, I understand then.  Food for thought is never a bad thing. 
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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I often wonder if people actually read the links they post. 

I read them. I just placed them here to give us some food for thought.


Ah, I understand then.  Food for thought is never a bad thing. 


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