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Since when am I required to add a common name ? |
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 |  Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | I did the Cast and Crew for Alias: Season 2 and Pasha is as credited (Pasha D. Lychnikoff not Pasha D. Lynchnikoff) on screen in the credits for that series.
EDITED TO ADD:
Looking over the Contribution notes for Alias, it appears I just did the Crew Data, so the Cast entry could be wrong. Teaches me to just glance at the notes. | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by cmaeditor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | And we know they are the same person, how, pal. I would say highly likely, but they could be different.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: April 14, 2007 | | Posts: 433 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have no idea if they are the same person or not, just that my contribution was as credited.
EDITED TO ADD:
Looking over the Contribution notes for Alias, it appears I just did the Crew Data, so the Cast entry could be wrong. Teaches me to just glance at the notes. | | | | Chris | | | | Last edited: by cmaeditor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Tigi:
You are not required to create a Common name.
Skip I totally agree Skip, although I've had several No votes before because I didn't use it. | | | | Corey |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | So have I kat, there are those around here who delight in throwing a No vote if you don't submit the data in the form THEY want to see it in, including Common Names> i am sure they are aware that they could do it if they wished but it seems they generally want to receive.... Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken has publicly said that voting no for not using a common name where it is needed is allowed. Of course, nobody is required to know everything, but if a voter can supply the details to you, you should either be prepared to correct your contribution, or shouldn't be surprised when someone votes against it. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | What is a "Common Name" may as hard to prove that "Common Sense" is common.
The older I get the rarer "Common Sense" becomes. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Ken has publicly said that voting no for not using a common name where it is needed is allowed. I checked all of Ken's posts since May 2007. He did not say anything remotely like that. | | | | Michael |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Ken has publicly said that voting no for not using a common name where it is needed is allowed. Of course, nobody is required to know everything, but if a voter can supply the details to you, you should either be prepared to correct your contribution, or shouldn't be surprised when someone votes against it. Then I must have missed it. Can you give a pointer? |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I remember correctly, Ken did not say it 'publicly'. He said it in response to a PM from m.cellophane. While I have no reason to doubt his word, and to be clear I DO trust his word, it is not the same as a public statement by Ken. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
So have I kat, there are those around here who delight in throwing a No vote if you don't submit the data in the form THEY want to see it in, including Common Names> i am sure they are aware that they could do it if they wished but it seems they generally want to receive....
Skip That's pretty disengenouos, don't you think? I certainly don't consider myself a taker. I've shared a considerable amount of time and effort contributing to, what I hope, is the betterment of the database. I'm sorry to see my lone NO vote caused such a stink but I felt it was a valid vote. I've since changed my vote to neutral. Here is my take on this situation: The actor in question is actually credited by a number of names. Pavel Lychnikoff (Cloverfield), Pasha Lychnikoff (Charlie Wilson’s War), Pasha D. Lychnikoff (Trade) , Pasha D. Lynchnikoff (Miami Vice)...all visually verified by myself on these titles that I own. And, yes, it is the same person...I'm not blind...not yet anyways  . Currently this actor is more commonly credited in the database as Pasha D. Lychnikoff with 28 titles compared to Pasha D. Lynchnikoff with only 7 titles. The OP changed the credit in Miami Vice to as credited...which is all well and good, but now my linking will be screwed up. I don't think I ever said that the OP is "required" to create a common name but what I am saying is that if you change a name to "as credited", you should first determine whether to enter the name directly "as credited", or use the "Credited As" field, using the Credit Lookup tool. Since the OP changed a name to "as credited", it is my opinion that he could have very well checked the CLT to ensure that his change wasn't going to break any possible links. I felf that my NO vote was warranted due to this fact. Now, when this profile contribution is approved, someone else will have to submit yet another profile change to correct the common name. Was I so wrong? If so..."just shoot me"...  | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Nah , no need to "shoot you". Perhaps a wet noodle. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Was I so wrong? If so..."just shoot me"... Bang! bang! You can't play anymore  I agree with you. When someone is fixing a credit, he should verify if he needs to use the "credited As" or not. However, instead of a No vote, a PM to the contributor could have acheive quicker results. |
| | Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Quoting skipnet50:
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So have I kat, there are those around here who delight in throwing a No vote if you don't submit the data in the form THEY want to see it in, including Common Names> i am sure they are aware that they could do it if they wished but it seems they generally want to receive....
Skip
That's pretty disengenouos, don't you think? I certainly don't consider myself a taker. I've shared a considerable amount of time and effort contributing to, what I hope, is the betterment of the database.
I'm sorry to see my lone NO vote caused such a stink but I felt it was a valid vote. I've since changed my vote to neutral.
Here is my take on this situation:
The actor in question is actually credited by a number of names. Pavel Lychnikoff (Cloverfield), Pasha Lychnikoff (Charlie Wilson’s War), Pasha D. Lychnikoff (Trade) , Pasha D. Lynchnikoff (Miami Vice)...all visually verified by myself on these titles that I own. And, yes, it is the same person...I'm not blind...not yet anyways . Currently this actor is more commonly credited in the database as Pasha D. Lychnikoff with 28 titles compared to Pasha D. Lynchnikoff with only 7 titles. The OP changed the credit in Miami Vice to as credited...which is all well and good, but now my linking will be screwed up. I don't think I ever said that the OP is "required" to create a common name but what I am saying is that if you change a name to "as credited", you should first determine whether to enter the name directly "as credited", or use the "Credited As" field, using the Credit Lookup tool. Since the OP changed a name to "as credited", it is my opinion that he could have very well checked the CLT to ensure that his change wasn't going to break any possible links. I felf that my NO vote was warranted due to this fact. Now, when this profile contribution is approved, someone else will have to submit yet another profile change to correct the common name.
Was I so wrong? If so..."just shoot me"... Makes sense to me, because it's about a name change, so the contributor could have very well checked the CLT in order to veryfy which of the two forms is more frequent in the database. tarantino: Quote:
However, instead of a No vote, a PM to the contributor could have acheive quicker results. Yep!  | | | | -- Enry | | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think that in the spirit of common courtesy we shouldn't delete or overwrite a previously approved common name without doing the research to prove that it was incorrect in the first place. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ken:
With all due respect, I will disagree wiuth qualification. If there are no notes accompanying such a change to begin with, then common courtesy has little to do with it. The user who selected the Common Name did nott document his change and it is therefore invalid and should either be research or simply restored to AS CREDITED. Simply citing it as a previously accepted change is not valid either as we have no way to find that ORIGINAL documenation. Someone who simply based his change on the use of a dartboard or an assumption that because two names are SIMILAR then they are the same person is simply not good enough...most of the time. There are those which are obvious such as , Jr. versus Jr. But, for example Lon Chaney could be Lon Chaney, Sr. OR Lon Chaney, Jr., simply assuming that Lon Chaney=Lon Chaney, Jr. could lead to an invalid link since Jr. dropped the suffix sometimes after his father passed away.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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