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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,366 |
| Posted: | | | | Both rules I mentioned are exceptions to the Title rule "Use the title from the front cover" and Original Title rule "Use the title from the copyright notice if available, otherwise from the film's credits", because how do you know which one to choose if the title appears in multiple languages and how can a foreign title be in the copyright notice or credits if it isn't the original title? | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote: I would agree with you if the Localized title was on the front cover together with the International title. Thats the problem, the only reason you dont see it in the front cover, is because they want to sell the DVD in all nordic countries with the same set of covers. So do we follow the rule or the intent of the rule? |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,366 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting whispering: Quote: Thats the problem, the only reason you dont see it in the front cover, is because they want to sell the DVD in all nordic countries with the same set of covers. The front cover isn't always the best source. For example releases of "Batman" and "Pi" didn't even have textual names on the front and we also entered the "translations" of those into the database. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting whispering: Quote: Quoting EnryWiki:
Quote: I would agree with you if the Localized title was on the front cover together with the International title.
Thats the problem, the only reason you dont see it in the front cover, is because they want to sell the DVD in all nordic countries with the same set of covers. So do we follow the rule or the intent of the rule? Before the rule on the title changed last September... The intent would have been to use the localized title. But now... The intent seems very clear... Always the front cover. If it doesn't exist yet, you can try to submit a new profile for the Finland locality. Since there's no voting for new profiles, you'll know very quickly how the screener feels about it. But even if it's approved, don't be surprise if another user comes later on to change the title to match the cover. | | | Last edited: by tarantino |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tarantino: Quote: If it doesn't exist yet, you can try to submit a new profile for the Finland locality. Since there's no voting for new profiles, you'll know very quickly how the screener feels about it.
But even if it's approved, don't be surprise if another user comes later on to change the title to match the cover. I'm not talking about that release in particular, i have many DVD's with the same issue, they have been added both ways, and there is no pingponging on the titles. At least with the ones i have. I have never seen a screener reject any of those releases, regardless how they were added. Personally i agree with Martin_Zuidervliet and skip on this one. | | | Last edited: by whispering |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting whispering: Quote:
I'm not talking about that release in particular, i have many DVD's with the same issue, they have been added both ways, and there is no pingponging on the titles. At least with the ones i have. I have never seen a screener reject any of those releases, regardless how they were added.
Personally i agree with Martin_Zuidervliet and skip on this one. I understood from the start that the issue was for many dvds and not for this particular one. Then, I'm puzzled on why you started a poll on this issue... if there's currently no problems with these submissions, just continue to submit profiles as they are done right now and everyone will be happy. Why do a poll, if you already have your answer? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting HilbertHimmelwaerts: Quote: Quoting goblinsdoitall:
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You often get a German release title (for the cinemas) and the original title and to make it totally confusing sometimes even both on the cover (e.g. "A Scanner Darkly - Der Dunkle Schirm").
This is not similar. You got sometimes the english original title and a german "subtitle" and this is the full german title. If you want to be correct in the database you can not choose between them or ignore one, for example a Scanner Darkly. But more often you got only silly additions to the titles. But this is only an addition to the title and definitly not the german release title for the cinemas. This happens only at the DVD cover - not in the cinemas. This happens with translated titles too, for example "Der Teufel trägt Prada - Die Hölle auf High Heels" or "Das Bourne Ultimatum - Was andere anfingen bringt er zu Ende". Only a stupid marketing sentence and not part of the title. This looks more like a tag line to me, and can be found on some American releases as well. In that case, they are NOT part of the title and should not be entered in the title field (or anywhere else). | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting whispering: Quote: Many Nordic distributors add to some of their releases info from Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland. So that they can sell the same DVD in any of the countries (cheap bastards). Usually the 3 former countries use the international title which is also in the front cover, but more then often under Finland it uses a localized name.
So my question is: Should i use, in situations like these the localized title or the title from the front cover?
I would use the title on the front cover, like the rules say. But this is really up to the voters of the locality to impose, or not... | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | I would hate to enter the Overview on those.... |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 844 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote: Maybe I don't fully understand the question, but I think your answer is in the Rules: Use the title from the front cover
On that front cover I read Open Range, and that's the Title I would contribute. Ditto |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | I am really shaking my head here. This is a foreign title. The rules say, "If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ( for instance in another language)."
Does the title appear in multiple languages? Yes it does. The fact that they happen to be on the back of the case doesn't matter. Yes, the rules says to 'use the title from the front cover', but they go on to list a bunch of clarifications to that rule. This is one of those clarifications. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I ABSOLUTELY agree, Unicus. But clarifications aren't clear enough around here. Are you surprised?
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting tarantino: Quote: Then, I'm puzzled on why you started a poll on this issue... if there's currently no problems with these submissions, just continue to submit profiles as they are done right now and everyone will be happy. Why do a poll, if you already have your answer? This has been puzzling me a long time, i just recently bought like 10 more of those movies and would like to add them all the same way. Rather then the current way that people add them without any standard. Though would have wanted a few of the finnish users to reply too. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Add them as Unicus and i have pointed out, whispering, the Rules are clear, the poll is WRONG. But then there are numerous users for which the Rules mean nothing. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 413 |
| Posted: | | | | I have profiled several DVDs of this kind. I have always used the Finnish title if it differs from the front cover title. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Add them as Unicus and i have pointed out, whispering, the Rules are clear, the poll is WRONG. But then there are numerous users for which the Rules mean nothing.
Skip Will do. Thanks to everyone for the responses. |
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