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Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: Good evening, Sirs.
A not so good evening to the ladies? (just kidding!) | | | -- Enry |
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Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: There is none that I am aware of. They have to be dealt with on a case by case basis. I see.
I did not ask for no reason, within the next three days I have to pronounce judgement on this concrete case:
Is "Alden" a second first, middle, or the first word of a two-part last name?
Provided that Alden is no Chinese. You should provide some more info. For instance, is "Alden" the only name on screen? Is it a stage name? Where is this Alden from? Any documentation about the person, the family, etc.? Anyway, the US based Onelook.com web page shows that Alden can be either A male given name (rare: 1 in 16666 males; popularity rank in the U.S.: #889) A surname (rare: 1 in 50000 families; popularity rank in the U.S.: #6993) Needless to say, any name can also be used as a middle name in the cultures that use middle names, like the US. Other cultures don't use middle names (only double first names and double last names), so the middle name can be ruled out. | | | -- Enry | | | Last edited: by White Pongo, Jr. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
Quote: Good evening, Sirs.
A not so good evening to the ladies?
Are there any women here today? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 4,596 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: There is none that I am aware of. They have to be dealt with on a case by case basis. I see.
I did not ask for no reason, within the next three days I have to pronounce judgement on this concrete case:
Is "Alden" a second first, middle, or the first word of a two-part last name?
Provided that Alden is no Chinese. Alden could be a first, middle or last name. Depends on the person you are referring to. Alden Wayne Dumas Phil Alden Robinson Cary Wilmot Alden | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: Quoting Unicus69:
Quote: There is none that I am aware of. They have to be dealt with on a case by case basis. I see.
I did not ask for no reason, within the next three days I have to pronounce judgement on this concrete case:
Is "Alden" a second first, middle, or the first word of a two-part last name?
Provided that Alden is no Chinese. You asked a general question looking for a definitive answer. There isn't one. We can't give you an answer without knowing the context of the name. That is why I said we have to deal with them on a case by case basis. What is the full name? What is the title of the film? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Am I missing something? What information has bbbbb given to you to support middle name? If I see a credit which says "Alden" (and "Alden" only), I would put it into the first name field. Single word credits are usually stage names. You are missing something. The original question was: What is the indisputable distinction between second first names, middle names, and two-part surnames?In the context of that question, it is quite logical to believe 'Alden' is the second part of a three part name. If it was a single word name, the original question makes no sense. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | @bbbbb & RHo
I agree with Unicus on this. There has to be some context around which we determine if Alden is a first or middle name. It may or not be, depending on who this particular Alden is -- and bbbbb didn't give enough to go on. It's not a black and white issue. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 | | | Last edited: by kdh1949 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: @bbbbb & RHo
I agree with Unicus on this. There has to be some context around which we determine if Alden is a first or middle name. It may or not be, depending on who this particular Alden is -- and bbbbb didn't give enough to go on. It's not a black and white issue. Have I said something different? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote: Quoting kdh1949:
Quote: @bbbbb & RHo
I agree with Unicus on this. There has to be some context around which we determine if Alden is a first or middle name. It may or not be, depending on who this particular Alden is -- and bbbbb didn't give enough to go on. It's not a black and white issue. Have I said something different? Your post that started "Am I missing something..." seemed to indicate otherwise, IMO. That's all. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: Quoting RHo:
Quote: Have I said something different? Your post that started "Am I missing something..." seemed to indicate otherwise, IMO. That's all. Then, it's indicating something wrong. What I wanted to state is, that bbbbb has not given enough context, so that skipnet50 can assume "Alden" to be a middle name. We could as well assume it to be a stage name. And the which I have added is not for decoration only. | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | My comment was directed mostly at bbbbb anyway, but I DID notice the . I just included you 'cause you were named in the post. No criticism intended. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | skipn: Quote: Don't assume, bbbbb. As noted for our purposes it is a middle name unless it can be documeted otherwise. Would 'Bruce' in well-known director Charles Bruce Adam Salkeld's name be the second first name or the first of two middle names, assumed that Adam is not the first of a two part last name? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | bbbbb:
This has been addressed in this thread, I believe. First Name=First Name, Last Name-Last Name, everything else is Middle Name. So unless youy can document otherwise it would be Charles/ Bruce Adam/ Salkeld.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 5,734 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting 8ballMax: Quote:
Alden could be a first, middle or last name. Depends on the person you are referring to.
Alden Wayne Dumas Phil Alden Robinson Cary Wilmot Alden
Why is Alden in the middle middle and not second first respectively first last? | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: skipn:
Quote: Don't assume, bbbbb. As noted for our purposes it is a middle name unless it can be documeted otherwise. Would 'Bruce' in well-known director Charles Bruce Adam Salkeld's name be the second first name or the first of two middle names, assumed that Adam is not the first of a two part last name? Many of us have agreed that we should start from a simple standard. That standard is what Skip outlined above. This allows everybody to start on the same page. If the name does not fall into one of the catagories listed in the rules, the following standard should apply: A one word name would be '1/ /'A two word name would be '1/ /2'A three word name would be '1/2/3'A four word name would be '1/2 3/4'Keep in mind, those are just starting points. The parsing can be changed if you can document it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote: Quoting 8ballMax:
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Alden could be a first, middle or last name. Depends on the person you are referring to.
Alden Wayne Dumas Phil Alden Robinson Cary Wilmot Alden
Why is Alden in the middle middle and not second first respectively first last? Because Max is using the the starting point that many of us agreed on...'first/middle/last' unless documented otherwise. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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