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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
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Regardless if the credits for this documentary feature should be entered or not, I would not add an actor only visible in archive footage or deleted scenes. Otherwise we get to the infamous Hitler situation. 
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Looked up Empire of Dreams on IMDB and according to their release date info it aired on tv first.



Empire of Dreams: The Story of the 'Star Wars' Trilogy (2004) (TV)

Country Date
USA 12 September 2004 (TV premiere)
USA 21 September 2004 (featured on Star Wars Trilogy DVD)
Finland 22 September 2004 (featured on Star Wars Trilogy DVD)
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I don't think 'Himself or Herself' should ever be entered as an actors name, credited as sure but not used as a real actors name.

It should be neither used as a person's name nor as a credited as name. It should exclusively used as a role name.

Says who?

It's written directly above your quotation: a user with the username RHo (aka myself).

Than you should have added the words "My opinion is that... And therefore...", because you make it sound like it's some kind of rule or fact which of course it isn't.
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I don't think 'Himself or Herself' should ever be entered as an actors name, credited as sure but not used as a real actors name.

It should be neither used as a person's name nor as a credited as name. It should exclusively used as a role name.

Says who?

It's written directly above your quotation: a user with the username RHo (aka myself).

Than you should have added the words "My opinion is that... And therefore...", because you make it sound like it's some kind of rule or fact which of course it isn't.

What else than my opinion can I express in this forum? Of course my opinion is based among other things on my experience with profiler, the rules, and this forum.
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Sorry, you're right. I misinterpreted your comment. You said it should be not it has to be. My bad.
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Sorry, you're right. I misinterpreted your comment. You said it should be not it has to be. My bad.

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I don't think 'Himself or Herself' should ever be entered as an actors name, credited as sure but not used as a real actors name.

It should be neither used as a person's name nor as a credited as name. It should exclusively used as a role name.


I agree with RHo and believe the rules support that point of view.  The rules say:

For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

Note it says, "names and roles".  'Himself/herself' is not the actor's name.
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I also think the special features rule applies when the bonus material covers only one film. ie you don't add cast & crew to the end of the main movie profile.
But a special features disc that covers multiple films (as in this case) is allowed to have it's own profile so I don't see why it shouldn't have it's own cast & crew either.
That rule was to prevent us adding special features cast & crew to the movie profile, not to stop us adding any cast & crew to a special features specific profile.


But that's not what it actually says.
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Id like to be clear before I make the changes myself... I have checked the credits for the disc Star Wars I and it shows cast member Jabba the Hutt as himself so would Jabba the Hutt be the First name and role himself?
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Id like to be clear before I make the changes myself... I have checked the credits for the disc Star Wars I and it shows cast member Jabba the Hutt as himself so would Jabba the Hutt be the First name and role himself?


I would enter 'Jabba The Hut' as the first name and 'himself' as the role.
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Thanks Unicus thats what I thought as it is that way in the credits.
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Id like to be clear before I make the changes myself... I have checked the credits for the disc Star Wars I and it shows cast member Jabba the Hutt as himself so would Jabba the Hutt be the First name and role himself?


I would enter 'Jabba The Hut' as the first name and 'himself' as the role.

That IS the way it appears On Screen, Unicus. George's sense of humor i suppose.

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Id like to be clear before I make the changes myself... I have checked the credits for the disc Star Wars I and it shows cast member Jabba the Hutt as himself so would Jabba the Hutt be the First name and role himself?

The credits show Himself as Jabba the Hutt and not the other way around.

This has already been discussed on this page.
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