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Images with slip covers or not ???
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantpauls42
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Just a thought... shouldn't the image always relate to the IPC/EAN number. My own images are made with as high resolution as possible for clarity sake. Downloaded images are only used temporary until I can scan my own.
Case in point - box sets for say Indiana Jones, Lethal Weapon or Back to the Fulture.
I like to have an image that relates to my region's (4) release of the product. From then I like to have an image of the keep case for each individual movie that makes up the set. As long as I have the images that match my barcode of the slip and the individual movies, then I am satisfied. This also covers my insurance needs should anything go missing.
I know it may sound pedantic, but if I am going to catalogue my collection,  I also like to add images of the original movie poster and the equivalent Reg 1 & 4 releases where possible.

Cheers, ciao & salute

et tu Brute!


I'm not sure what point you were trying to make? 
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Unicus,

I can see were  Gerri's post was going, and i can see why you apply your 'own' ruling because of it , I am just reading it as ....Not an inferior scan ( how much inferior ) .....but a blatent poor scan or one which is impossible to scan.

Cartmin


Let me try and explain.  The first part of the cover rule reads:

Before submitting new scans of cover art, make sure your new covers are of significantly higher quality than the existing online images, and meet the following criteria:

For me, that 'and' is important.  That means it must meet both standards.  It must be of 'significantly higher quality' and be of the slipcase.  If it fails the first then, in my opinion, the second standard is moot.

Replacing a good scan of the keep case with an inferior one, just because it is a scan of the slip, doesn't make any sense to me.
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Unicus,

I can see were  Gerri's post was going, and i can see why you apply your 'own' ruling because of it , I am just reading it as ....Not an inferior scan ( how much inferior ) .....but a blatent poor scan or one which is impossible to scan.

Cartmin


Let me try and explain.  The first part of the cover rule reads:

Before submitting new scans of cover art, make sure your new covers are of significantly higher quality than the existing online images, and meet the following criteria:

For me, that 'and' is important.  That means it must meet both standards.  It must be of 'significantly higher quality' and be of the slipcase.  If it fails the first then, in my opinion, the second standard is moot.

Replacing a good scan of the keep case with an inferior one, just because it is a scan of the slip, doesn't make any sense to me.


Exactly. And I will continue to vote against inferior scans.
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Unicus,

I can see were  Gerri's post was going, and i can see why you apply your 'own' ruling because of it , I am just reading it as ....Not an inferior scan ( how much inferior ) .....but a blatent poor scan or one which is impossible to scan.

Cartmin


Let me try and explain.  The first part of the cover rule reads:

Before submitting new scans of cover art, make sure your new covers are of significantly higher quality than the existing online images, and meet the following criteria:

For me, that 'and' is important.  That means it must meet both standards.  It must be of 'significantly higher quality' and be of the slipcase.  If it fails the first then, in my opinion, the second standard is moot.

Replacing a good scan of the keep case with an inferior one, just because it is a scan of the slip, doesn't make any sense to me.


Exactly. And I will continue to vote against inferior scans.



Fair enough then , obviously i was reading the rules incorrectly.

Quality of scan is paramount whether the images are the same or not , whether the slip case can be scanned or not ......got ya !

Slip case ruling waste of time then !

I thought the database primarily should be accuracy,  thats whu we still have crap scans in the system of original releases from god knows when , when most people have a newer case with newer artwork that would provide a far better scan and look far better when outsiders view your collection online, which we are stuck with and cannot change because of the rules, regardless of how much better they look.

You could apply your ' quality ruling ' to that too ?

Please dont think I am trying to be argumentitive guys I am merely trying to look for a definitive answer to my original question ( I like black and white ....not grey areas ...) this is just one area that I guess we will have to take one instance at a time and see what happens ?

Would it be possible to do a sort of 'pre - post' for opinions in the forums with attached images under a propsed change first ?

Best to all

Cartmin
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Fair enough then , obviously i was reading the rules incorrectly.

Quality of scan is paramount whether the images are the same or not , whether the slip case can be scanned or not ......got ya !

Slip case ruling waste of time then !

I thought the database primarily should be accuracy,  thats whu we still have crap scans in the system of original releases from god knows when , when most people have a newer case with newer artwork that would provide a far better scan and look far better when outsiders view your collection online, which we are stuck with and cannot change because of the rules, regardless of how much better they look.

You could apply your ' quality ruling ' to that too ?



Having a completely different scan (i.e. different release) would already be rejected since it isn't the original version.

What Geri was confirming is that where the pictures are essentially the same then we should have the best scan. And the differences on 300 (which I had so can comment on) were so minor that the pictures are essentially the same.

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Please dont think I am trying to be argumentitive guys I am merely trying to look for a definitive answer to my original question ( I like black and white ....not grey areas ...) this is just one area that I guess we will have to take one instance at a time and see what happens ?

Would it be possible to do a sort of 'pre - post' for opinions in the forums with attached images under a propsed change first ?



Images are already compared when they arrive for submission. We don't need to post them here as well.

All images are subjective - what I consider a minor (if any) improvement, others may rave over. In some cases this can be put down to the colour management on the PC being oncorrect. (personally I use hardware/software to check the colours on my monitors every month.)
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Quality of scan is paramount whether the images are the same or not , whether the slip case can be scanned or not ......got ya !


Wait, wait, wait.  That isn't what I said.  My opinion on this only applies when the images are the same.  If the images are different, then we use the slipcase.

If you can get a good scan of the slipcase, go for it.  All I am saying is, if the images are the same, I will take the quality image first.  I will not replace a good scan of the keep case, with a bad scan of the slipcase, simply because it is the slipcase.

Keep in mind, that is just my opinion and, I am quite sure, there are several people that do not agree.
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I can't understand, why the slip cover has to be used, if the keep case shows the same image at a higher quality - as I can't understand why this question is of such an importance...

If I'm not content with an image, I fetch out the cover, scan it, edit it to my preferences, replace the existing in my local DVDP database and lock it - as any information I verified for myself except cast and crew lists (since they could get crosslinks and uncredited members).

Then - as a second process - I try to decide if it the new information or scans clearly contradicts the rules (wrong UPC, wrong release, wrong case type, etc.). If not, then I upload the changes and let the comunity vote, if they like it or not. But I leave it to the community and it doesn't bother me, if the contribution is declined...

... And to my surprise lately I got a contribution accepted, where I exchanged an existing photo of a box set (which existed as back cover since the back cover was exactly the same as the front cover - against the rules as far as I'd say) with a similar photo - I only increased the resolution and the corrected the colors...

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