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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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The only thing that I can conclude from this is that the Rules are actually not Rules after all, but merely suggestions.
As far as I understood the rule on the titles, the front cover got involved to determine titles for foreign languages.
Why do you abuse this rule for an American title? - For me it's obvious, that the title is "X-Men: The Last Stand" as stated in the copyright notice...
Regards, AA There was already an exception in the Rules for foreign films. Always use the language of the locality. The current Rule is quite clear about taking the title from the front cover....not the copyright notice or anywhere else. Apparently it only applies if you feel like it! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I daresay Hal has a valid argument. Would someone care to point out where "Men" appears on this cover. It looks to me as if the title is one of two possibilities based on the front cover X: The Last Stand or X III: The Last Stand. There is NO provision for usage of the credit block for anything OTHER than possessives.
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The rule was changed a while back ago to always take the title from the front cover. I'm quite sure this rule was made to solve most problems, but in Ken's idea probably not to create a new title that doesn't match with the movie as it is known. We are in the case of rare exceptions (as for hyphens to cut a word in overviews) where common sense should prevail. As he did for hyphens, it would be great to have Ken's opinion about that, and about the fact that rules are made to cope with 99% cases, but not to be stupid in the remaining 1%... | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | If Ken wishes to weigh in he will. I do wish you would stop talking aabout common sense because you vision of common sense is certainly in line with my vision of common sense, which in turn is probably not the same as other users. Your vision of common sense, in fact, to me makes no sense at all.
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | A wise man once said "Common sense isn't that common." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | A wise man indeed, Doc.
Some people are wise and some are other wise.
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| | Posted: | | | | Good judgment comes from wisdom but wisdom comes from bad judgment. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | we could amend the title rule:
If no title on the front cover take it from the dvd spine cover
If no title on the dvd spine cover take it from the back cover | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | "No title" cover is still speculative. My opinion is that if the front cover does not contain alphanumeric characters written from left to right in lines to take the title from the credit block on the back cover.
In this case, the credit block reads "X-MEN THE LAST STAND" (but, of course, sentence case would apply because the credit block gives the title almost aways in upper case) so "X-Men The Last Stand". | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | However, as I noted that is not an option at this time. The credit block is used only in the instance of possesives which does not apply here.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
we could amend the title rule:
If no title on the front cover take it from the dvd spine cover
If no title on the dvd spine cover take it from the back cover But there is a title on the cover in this case. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
"No title" cover is still speculative. My opinion is that if the front cover does not contain alphanumeric characters written from left to right in lines to take the title from the credit block on the back cover.
In this case, the credit block reads "X-MEN THE LAST STAND" (but, of course, sentence case would apply because the credit block gives the title almost aways in upper case) so "X-Men The Last Stand". And 'The Last Stand' is a subtitle so should be offset with a colon (I know that's not in the Rules, but it is a long standing convention). | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
But there is a title on the cover in this case. yes there is. The proposal was to minimise further the 1% where there is no title on the frontcover, aka Batman cover. The front cover rule came in to existence to be able to recognise your dvd box as opposed to the original title, that maybe way of to wath to box tells you. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. | | | | Last edited: by ? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
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But there is a title on the cover in this case.
yes there is. The proposal was to minimise further the 1% where there is no title on the frontcover, aka Batman cover. The front cover rule came in to existence to be able to recognise your dvd box as opposed to the original title, that maybe way of to wath to box tells you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the "front cover rule" was established to halt the arguments between those that wanted and didn't want to include quotes "" and possessives in the DVD Title based on the title in the on-screen credits. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection | | | | Last edited: by Bad Father |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't think that is the only reason since he clarified the rule for each of those cases under the main rule.... Quote:
Title
Use the title from the front cover.
* Never add distinguishing factors to the title (such as "Widescreen" or "Special Edition"). Use the Edition field for these.
* Check capitalization of the title.
* Do not include quotes if they surround the entire title.
* Include possessives if the front cover includes them, and if they are verifiably part of the title. If quotes surround the title in the credit block (generally on the back cover), check whether the possessive is within the quotes. In the absence of quotes to verify, check the font size used for the title on the front cover. Generally, possessives which use a significantly smaller font are not part of the title.
* Possessive examples: "Tim Burton's Corpse Bride", John Carpenter's "The Thing". In each case, the portion within quotes is the title.
* For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word in of the title. "Lord of the Rings" is correctly capitalized. "Lord Of The Rings" is not. "The Matrix Reloaded" is correctly capitalized. "The matrix reloaded" is not.
o For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not
o If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ( for instance in another language).
o Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break.
o For music and stage performance DVDs, use the performer or group name followed by the DVD title, separated with a colon and space. For example: "U2: Rattle and Hum", "Ellen Degeneres: The Begining".
o Annual DVDs such WWE or NFL Films titles if the year is included it is part of the title and should not be included in the Descriptor field. For Example Title: Year.
o The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the Front Cover; for example Alien Quadrilogy. If that was the reason for the rule change he would have only needed to add those exceptions. If I am not mistaken it was changed because there was many people asking for a front cover title rule. (Myself included). | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,293 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Giga Wizard:
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we could amend the title rule:
If no title on the front cover take it from the dvd spine cover
If no title on the dvd spine cover take it from the back cover
But there is a title on the cover in this case. Whilst on the whole I actually agree with you on this vote Hal (though not your stance againt the rule change), I think it could be argued that the cover in this case contains symbols that are stylised enough to not be read as words so to move to a secondary source. The X in that style has long been establised as "The X-Men Symbol" from the previous two films' covers, so it could be argued, like I say, it's not an X but a symbolic representation of X-Men and the actual 'title in words' should be read off the spine or wherever. | | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
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