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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,029 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Grendell: Quote:
If the hyphen would not be there if it wasn't the end of the line, it should not be entered. What he said. BTW, I needed about 15min to compose this message, because I wrote and then deleted a lengthy rant several times. | | | | Matthias | | | | Last edited: by goodguy |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | 8ballMax & Unicus69. the rules state indeed: Overviews should match the back of the DVD case exactly, including capitalization of words exactly as it is shown on the back of the case. If words are highlighted in italic or bold on the case, then identify them with ‘single quotation’ marks. Exception: If the entire overview uses an uppercase font, enter the overview using standard capitalization rules. However I think common sense does not require to copy the hyphen as it is no part of the word. When is it correct to use a hyphen?... 7. in dividing a word across a line-break. Guidance on word division is given in reference books such as the Oxford Colour Spelling Dictionary (1996). | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
But text is in fact being altered based on the size of the field it is being entered into, in this case. If the field on the back of the case had been slightly wider, this word would not have been hyphenated. Yes, but they could have chosen to simply move that text to the next line. They didn't, they chose to hyphenate the word. Since they did, that hyphen goes into profiler. Quote:
Hyphenating a word in DVDP in the middle of a line which is not a normally hyphenated word is just stupid. Did I ever say it wasn't stupid? No I didn't. Why? Because this is about what I think is stupid. This is about what the rules tell us to do. Quote:
You have to allow people to use their intelligence to interpret the fact that the hyphen on the case is only there because the word is split between two separate lines on the case. It is not part of the word if it appears on a single line.
This has nothing to do with correcting spelling errors or typos. And, it could be argued, you have to allow people to use their intelligence to interpret the fact that a typo on the case is only there because somebody made a mistake. In fact, I believe some people have already argued that point. What were they told? Oh yea, copy the overview EXACTLY as it is on the case...errors and all. IMHO, that would include hyphens that aren't required. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Giga Wizard: Quote:
However I think common sense does not require to copy the hyphen as it is no part of the word. Common sense tells me a lot of things, but common sense doesn't trump the rules...unless something has changed in the last few days and I missed it.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting goodguy: Quote:
Quoting Grendell:
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If the hyphen would not be there if it wasn't the end of the line, it should not be entered.
What he said.
BTW, I needed about 15min to compose this message, because I wrote and then deleted a lengthy rant several times. Thank you for your restraint. When you're right, you don't need so many words. | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Did I ever say it wasn't stupid? No I didn't. Why? Because this is about what I think is stupid. This is about what the rules tell us to do.
I suppose if you see a baby fall in a lake where swimming is forbidden, you will do nothing to save his life...  | | | | Images from movies |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, maybe we would like a rule clarification on should we enter a dash if it exists solely for formatting/typographic purposes - to break up a word into two because of a line feed.
Since we do not preserve line wrapping as they exist on the back cover, preserving a dash that was caused because of line wrapping and wouldn't exist if the overview paragraph existed on only one line, then we probably shouldn't include it in DVDP.
Again, this would require a rule clarification. |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe we also need a clarification about what the actual purpose is of copying the overview. It can't be to create a visual copy of the back cover, since we have the cover scan for that.
If the idea is to be able to search, then copying a hyphen (if that exists only because of a line break) only hinders the goal. Same for using all kinds of different dashes, where one serves the purpose.
(This search requirement would actually be an argument to correct typos, but I wouldn't want to go on that slippery slope). | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | The ticks for boldface/italics also break string searches of the overview.
The only why I can come up with in why the text version of the overview must match the scanned version is to prevent ping-pongs. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
So, maybe we would like a rule clarification on should we enter a dash if it exists solely for formatting/typographic purposes - to break up a word into two because of a line feed.
Since we do not preserve line wrapping as they exist on the back cover, preserving a dash that was caused because of line wrapping and wouldn't exist if the overview paragraph existed on only one line, then we probably shouldn't include it in DVDP.
Again, this would require a rule clarification. we do not need a rule clarification to tell us not to be stupid. If I see an overview which has been changed to include stupid dash's which break up words I will correct and immediately re-submit the change. The point of having the clear text is so that we can search for text instead of just trying to read the cover scan. Breaking the text up like this goes against the purpose of the program. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote:
The ticks for boldface/italics also break string searches of the overview.
The only why I can come up with in why the text version of the overview must match the scanned version is to prevent ping-pongs. I agree - the boldface/ italics crap does stop searches from working. Unfortunately we have to leave these in the online database since they are mentioned in the rules. | | | | Paul |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
we do not need a rule clarification to tell us not to be stupid. You do if many happen to view the rule as stupid.  Typos I can understand. Formatting dashes I can't since we also don't preserve line breaks with the exception of paragraph breaks. |
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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting pauls42: Quote:
I agree - the boldface/ italics crap does stop searches from working. Are you sure? I tried and the search seemed to work anyway. I mean, I looked for some text in the "Other (Overview, etc.)" field, and I found it even if the text was in single quotes. | | | | -- Enry |
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| Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 1,536 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote:
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I agree - the boldface/ italics crap does stop searches from working.
Are you sure? I tried and the search seemed to work anyway. I mean, I looked for some text in the "Other (Overview, etc.)" field, and I found it even if the text was in single quotes. The problem would arise if the tick was in the middle of the string you are searching. | | | | Hans |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | Here's an visual example of a formatting hyphen with today's Get Fuzzy strip - last panel  If you were transcribing it, would you type "Those are prescription, you know" or would you type "Those are prescrip-tion, you know"? And if you were to do a word search for "prescription", it would find the former but not the later. | | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Did I ever say it wasn't stupid? No I didn't. Why? Because this is about what I think is stupid. This is about what the rules tell us to do.
I suppose if you see a baby fall in a lake where swimming is forbidden, you will do nothing to save his life...
That's a much better analogy than the proverbial "jumping off a bridge". Well done! | | | | Hal |
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